Better is subjective. I quite like having the entire route on the main screen, the road ahead in 3D in the cluster or HUD. It is definitely safer to have it with the field of view, opposed to somewhere totally out of it.
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Apple Said Next-Generation CarPlay Would 'Arrive' in 2024… It Didn't
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Uh, the manufacturer that shant be named put them right next to where the emergency hazards button is located in one of their models. The other model has it under the phone charger.
Wow that’s kind of awesome. I just hope it doesn’t inundate you with pops. In my case I dropped ford because my last car had 17 (!) minor recalls in the 6 years I owned it.
At worse it would just throw a CEL. Nothing in most cars needs the telematics module to be working (ignoring phone app access).
I remember the same sentiment around Apple Pay. And here we are today with Apple Pay.
I’m not for that. But what I am for are laws regulating the use of personal data from automobiles.
I’m willing to bet it gets axed, in fact I hope it does. As a car enthusiast, I generally don’t even like CarPlay in most vehicles, I’d rather content via Bluetooth for music . I thought this was a flawed proposition from the start and I bet automakers are starting to realize they need to differentiate their products via Tech in increasingly high tech vehicles. I believe Porsche was one of the strongest backers but would not be surprised if they change their mind.
Who knows, we’ll see.
Who knows, we’ll see.
Recollections vary, I seek to recall that Apple Pay was way ahead of Android with mobile payments. Mainly due to it being able to integrate with existing contactless PDQ machines whilst Android was still messing about with the magnetic strip simulation at the time which was so old fashioned and didn’t provide sufficient security.
What are you talking about? Apple has no automotive OS, it refused to enter the market and it has no plans to enter the market. Do you think Apple will create an OSS version of iOS for automotive and give it away for free? There is already an automotive grade Linux
https://www.automotivelinux.org/
And Linux is also the base of every android, which includes Android Automotive. So the base OS is already well known and there is no need to introduce a Darwin kernel.
There isn‘t even a tiny chance for Apple, to enter the automotive market.
The magnetic strip stuff was Samsung and finserve companies somehow found a way to block that.
Why do you feel the need to spread false information? You can opt out/in of everything and you can also completely disable the system. BMW earns its money by selling hardware.
„BMW customers may opt out of ALL optional data collection relating to their vehicles at any time by visiting the BMW iDrive screen in their vehicle. In addition, BMW drivers may, at any time, completely disable the transfer of any data from BMW vehicles to BMW services by disabling their embedded SIM on their vehicles via contacting BMW and completing a form.“
https://faq.bmwusa.com/s/article/Ca...vehicles-to-BMW-services-NJopz?language=en_US
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Do you know what Apples plan are? You should probably not be on here if you do, or Apple will sue you for breaching NDA's.
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you are talking out of your hat. <<< I suspect this one.
fyi. Unix is the basis for Linux as is MacOS and iOS is based on MacOS. Just sayin'
Android and iOS come from the same lineage
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Try and read my message again. And I think it will become clear we are having two different conversations.
I'm talking about deep integration of CarPlay and Android auto with the features of the car, predominantly for AI purposes. In fact, I can't understand how any of the rationale I proposed are even remotely related to drawing pixels on a dashboard. I don't mention UI one single time in my post.
To use the example of your cars massage feature. CarPlay, ideally, would have an integration that would allow a functional interface to that feature. So an AI model, running on your phone (as the cars weedy hardware aren't very well suited for this sort of thing) and ask you if you want to turn on your massage functionality after you return to the car from a location you phone knows to be the gym. And if you reply positively, turn it on.
You on the other hand, is having a conversation purely about UI, so, in short, we are massively talking past each other here. I recon car manufactures will be able to roll their dashboards CarPlay 2.0, in the same way that can in pretty much every other ui toolkit in existence. And I dont think most of the examples in your list would require "custom components" to be made from apple. I think the app developers (in this case the car manufacturer rolling out a dashboard on CarPlay 2.0) would be able to use standard ui components from CarPlay, such as labels, checkboxes, sliders etc to implements most of the stuff on your list.
But anyways, this is different conversation to what I was talking about in the post you replied to. For me, It's the data, and integration between the cars functionality and the phone thats the logical evolution. Try and read my post with that in mind, and I expect the points offered as rationale will also make more sense ☺️
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I don’t think manufacturers like the idea of handing over all that user info and the brand experience to Apple. Software defined vehicles are the big thing now.
With no industry-wide standards for car interfaces, I can imagine this continues to be a massively complex project.
What? CarPlay was started before the "Apple Car" project. Delays happen. Apple releases when products are ready, not before. Of course, there are exceptions, such as how the Maps platform played out. but it took "being in the wild" for the platform to evolve to where it is today. Car-control software is a totally different ballgame, though. Zero room for error. I can appreciate that they are playing this with great caution.
I did read it. Unless you think your “deep integration” idea somehow means there is no UI, it’s absolutely related. All the systems I mentioned and alluded to must be accounted for regardless of how “shallow” or “deep” the integration is.
AI to turn on seat massage. Are you sure you can’t come up with a more complex way to do that? As it stands now, I just push a button on my door to turn it on with the last used settings, and when I press it, the UI appears on the touch screen in case I want to change anything. If moving my left hand 6 inches to the button on the door (I’m in US, left hand drive) is just too much of a burden, I can utter a word that initiates my car actively listening (mine is “Moneypenny” 😁), and I can ask it to turn it on for me.
AI is overkill for most things you need to do in a car. I’m tempted to say AI is overkill for ALL things related to a human driving a car today, but perhaps someone can come up with a legitimate use.
What I wrote is not about UI building blocks like labels or checkboxes. If Apple is in control of the car’s UI (as in CarPlay 2.0), they will need to provide UI elements for all car systems. These systems vary by manufacturer, model, trim level, etc. Reusing the massage example, those can vary in capabilities and active massage elements so there isn’t ‘one’ UI that fits all possible cases. Are there ways to use metadata and possibly generate some of it? Sure, but the questions I asked about whether the effort is worth it for Apple or the OEMs still stand.
Regardless of the type of integration with a phone (whether current CarPlay/CarPlay 2.0 or what you describe as deep integration), auto manufacturers have to provide a user interface to the vehicle systems that does not require any additional device. I don’t see any regulatory agency approving a vehicle for general use that requires the use of an additional device, such as a phone, to fully operate it. From the manufacturers’ perspective any integration is extra effort and they won’t do it unless they see a financial benefit.
The current version of CarPlay is far from what you describe as “deep” integration and far less complex, yet it hasn’t been implemented by all manufacturers. Some did and have backed off from it. Some never have and have not announced any plans to integrate it. If deciding to support the current simpler version is not a “slam dunk” for manufacturers, CarPlay 2.0 is even less so. Imagine how the even deeper integration you suggest looks to them.
Lastly, not everyone wants even more integration with a phone. I am not driving a phone with wheels. I’m driving a 2+ ton vehicle and am legally responsible for it. I just want to be able to access a few capabilities provided by my mobile device smoothly and safely. Anything else is just fluff, and judging by the mock-ups we’ve seen of CarPlay 2.0, the extra fluff is likely to provide more driver distractions.
It is a qualified guess and it shows me that you have no idea of what you are talking about.
Yes Darwin is Apples Ripoff from FreeBSD and it never payed a dime or supported the community in return.
But Linux has become an industry standard. It focuses on security with SELinux and Automotive grade Linux. It adapts easily to various harware configurations and you can build it from scratch, if you know what you are doing. Professional build systems like yocto or more basic ones like buildroot (used by Tesla) support you in creating your own custom system.
Even if you only know this much, you realize that this is not the Apple way.
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AI is the use case for self driving vehicles. Ask Tesla. Also using the cars built in smart assistant. But I think you’re on to something regarding monetization of a car consumer as the reason manufacturers don’t want their hand in the cookie jar. It’s not safety, it’s money.
All I really want is to have climate and radio control added to CarPlay. Then I don't need to use the crappy infotainment system in our new car. It's kind of ridiculous that new cars can't do a better job with these Android based systems.
My Porsche dealer said Porsche was moving away from CarPlay. It was too slow and too late. The ICE Porsches would continue with CarPlay for the near term but EV Porsches would be Android.
Apple's website still says the first vehicle models with support for next-generation CarPlay would "arrive in 2024," but that did not happen.
At this point, it is unclear if next-generation CarPlay will ever launch. Apple has not publicly commented on its plans in quite a long time, but it continued to make preparations behind the scenes throughout 2024. In November, for example, a few redesigned next-generation CarPlay icons appeared within iOS 18.2's code.
Apple did not respond to our several requests for comment about next-generation CarPlay throughout 2024. It would not be surprising if the timeframe listed on Apple's website is quietly updated to 2025 over the coming days.
It is unclear if Apple needs more time to finish developing next-generation CarPlay, or if car makers have decided not to adopt the system, or something else. Apple first previewed next-generation CarPlay at WWDC 2022, more than two and a half years ago. Just over a year ago, Aston Martin and Porsche previewed next-generation CarPlay instrument cluster designs, but neither brand has rolled out the system.
Apple said other committed car makers included Acura, Audi, Ford, Honda, Infiniti, Jaguar, Land Rover, Lincoln, Mercedes-Benz, Nissan, Polestar, Renault, and Volvo.
Apple promised that next-generation CarPlay would have deep integration with the instrument cluster and climate controls, support for multiple displays across the dashboard, a dedicated FM radio app, customizable widgets, and more. The interface would be tailored to each vehicle model and automaker's brand identity.
Here is how Apple describes it:Next-generation CarPlay is expected to be available in new vehicles only, if it ever launches. It is not an update to the standard CarPlay software.
Will next-generation CarPlay eventually launch, or will it become vaporware? We don't know, but it certainly did not "arrive in 2024" as planned.
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I agree on self driving vehicles. That’s why I said “ . . . AI is overkill for ALL things related to a human driving a car today . . .”