Apple Said Next-Generation CarPlay Would 'Arrive' in 2024… It Didn't

[gank41]

They can't do the latter either. What makes you think that?

Google has historically always worked with the Car Manufacturers to link and use any data from your car, like location information, speed, engine information, etc., and then sold that information as ad revenue. With more Car Manufacturers moving towards Android Automotive and away from CarPlay (Chevy, for example), it's clearly because of Privacy. Why would any company invest in one system when they can clearly make money off the other?

 

[H2SO4]

If I had to guess, it is the automakers considering the GM approach of hoovering up and selling all that precious driver data that Apple doesn't hand over.

What driver data exactly?

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Google has historically always worked with the Car Manufacturers to link and use any data from your car, like location information, speed, engine information, etc., and then sold that information as ad revenue. With more Car Manufacturers moving towards Android Automotive and away from CarPlay (Chevy, for example), it's clearly because of Privacy. Why would any company invest in one system when they can clearly make money off the other?

Have you got an AAOS system in your cars? Have you seen what the default settings are in that context? Have you read the policies? Do you understand the privacy laws at play, ok I'm inside the EU so it is likely a bit different and more consumer focused for me

 

[gank41]

What driver data exactly?

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Have you got an AAOS system in your cars? Have you seen what the default settings are in that context? Have you read the policies? Do you understand the privacy laws at play, ok I'm inside the EU so it is likely a bit different and more consumer focused for me

I've got a 2018 Chevy Impala and still have the ability to use my iPhone with CarPlay.

 

[steve09090]

Google has historically always worked with the Car Manufacturers to link and use any data from your car, like location information, speed, engine information, etc., and then sold that information as ad revenue. With more Car Manufacturers moving towards Android Automotive and away from CarPlay (Chevy, for example), it's clearly because of Privacy. Why would any company invest in one system when they can clearly make money off the other?

Can you provide some kind of proof (link to sites etc) that shows Google has been selling the data it collects? I looked and can’t find any.

Found plenty of stuff where makers have used Android Automotive without Google Automotive Services and added things like Alexa and different app stores. But nothing on selling data.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

I've got a 2018 Chevy Impala and still have the ability to use my iPhone with CarPlay.

So that is a no then 🤷‍♂️

 

[gank41]

Can you provide some kind of proof (link to sites etc) that shows Google has been selling the data it collects? I looked and can’t find any.

Found plenty of stuff where makers have used Android Automotive without Google Automotive Services and added things like Alexa and different app stores. But nothing on selling data.

Check my post just before yours with the link. Again, it's the Car Manufacturers that are selling the data here, not Google. It's Google that's going to use that data for things like Location Tracking to know when you drive by that local Big Box store on your Commute home to show you more relevant ads for that same Big Box store in your Google search results. Apple doesn't want anything to do with that.

 

[gank41]

So that is a no then 🤷‍♂️

If by no, you mean yes...

Again, The Car Company sells the data. Google uses that data for ads to make more money. Apple's stance on Privacy is the opposite, so why would Car Companies want to implement a system they won't make money off of?

My Bad, mis-read your post. Yeah, I've got nothing to worry about in my car, but I would have to deal with it if/when I buy something else.

 

[Edsel]

not just development, but also integration. be aware, that apple cannot just randomly hijack the CAN bus and intercept traffic. they're literally creating an API to these never before exposed endpoints and - unlike with that specific "not a car company" in the US - reputable brands will not risk to get into thinks that can potentially cripple the car without a boatload of testing and validation.

I too have attempted to explain the concerns you have outlined but I get laughed at and mocked. This is a very legitimate issue that Apple/Android developers are faced with. Even though vehicle manufacturers and software developers are publicly proclaiming it's not a problem, developers know otherwise. I think of this every time I'm in my new Ford running problematic QNX which will now become "Android Automotive" (It's not Android Auto) for 2025 models. Getting OTH hacked, or a code failure at 70mph will give a lot of lawyers a lot of income.

 

[Alameda]

If your phone is forgotten, lost or stolen, the car still needs to work.

 

[ArtOfWarfare]

With car manufacturers getting cold feet with the coming influx of EVs from China have to wonder if it might be worth Apple making direct investments in key euro car makers?

The Euro car makers all seem dead in the water to me.

Volkswagen looked like they had a shot at successfully transitioning to EVs a few years ago, and then they fired their CEO. Now it seems like they're entering a partnership with Rivian instead, which leaves them looking like GM... paying for a competitor to gain experience in critical tech while their own engineering talent will continue to dwindle away.

Japanese and Korean automakers are in a similar boat. Nissan was primed for greatness a decade ago, then fired their CEO. Now they're being saved from bankruptcy by Honda acquiring them, but Honda doesn't seem much better off. Hyundai... might do ok.

 

[MNWildFan]

Well car manufacturers had no intention on letting their infotainment systems be be hijacked by Apple

And that right there is the problem.

So because of that, I'm starting to feel like this is becoming vaporware, much like AirPower did back in 2019 after it was initially announced in 2017...

Suffice to say, I think if this does inevitably become vaporware, many developers will come up in the wake of this and develop CarPlay apps that will do the same thing that next-gen CarPlay was supposed to do.

Heck, towards the end of this last year, I found this one app that's looking to do just that with this one app called Sidecar. The app has a very active beta/Testflight community (which I am a part of too!) and just a single developer, and so far, what's been tested has been nothing short of incredible. One of the main grabs of the app is that by way of an OBD-II scanner or if your car supports it, what's known as a connected account to then display things like your current fuel level, tire pressure, starter battery level (all currently dependant on what parameters your vehicle supports over OBD-II or connected account). Along with that, it also has built-in navigation via Apple Maps, though support is on the way to integrate other navigation from apps like Google Maps and Waze too.

If anyone would be interested in hopping on the testing train of what is looking to be a quite killer app, then send me a message and I can hook you up with all the info!

 

[ArtOfWarfare]

I think automakers have realized that the infotainment system is a new heart of the car and they can't afford to outsource it any longer. Consumers want more than just GPS and radio.

 

[I7guy]

I think automakers have realized that the infotainment system is a new heart of the car and they can't afford to outsource it any longer. Consumers want more than just GPS and radio.

I agree. The biggest thing is navigation. In car systems imo don’t do as good a job as apple or google maps, which makes CarPlay for me a great feature. Tesla navigation is a hair below (but that is not the conversation)

I like having CarPlay as it has all the navigation options. Not to mention using my phone as the backend has lots of advantages as well.

And I don’t want to be tracked either. Apples privacy focused approach takes away from you being the product.

 

[pepsijunky]

Goodness, we got about 9 stories on this topic. It was one small line on their site. Let's move on.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

I too have attempted to explain the concerns you have outlined but I get laughed at and mocked. This is a very legitimate issue that Apple/Android developers are faced with. Even though vehicle manufacturers and software developers are publicly proclaiming it's not a problem, developers know otherwise. I think of this every time I'm in my new Ford running problematic QNX which will now become "Android Automotive" (It's not Android Auto) for 2025 models. Getting OTH hacked, or a code failure at 70mph will give a lot of lawyers a lot of income.

It is not, just take a look at how established provides like Google AAOS provides it. There are rules and regulations and the primary car systems are always separated. You can reboot the entire system whilst driving without adverse impacts on primary controls like brakes, steering, gears, indicators etc.

It be interesting to see how that certain manufacturer gets around it considering the amount of software sensors being used, and even the drive selection is via software and a touch screen.

 

[H2SO4]

A LOT. Check this article out...

Discover how your auto collects data! 🚗 Dive in & learn more! 🔍

Ever wondered how your car knows you? Explore the booming business of auto data collection, the future of car connectivity, and the privacy concerns you should be aware of. Dive in! 🚗📊

www.lgt.com

I've got a 2018 Chevy Impala and still have the ability to use my iPhone with CarPlay.

Interesting. Not much to lean about me though, and I don't drive a new car personally. The commercial side of me does though.
I suspect what they do was hidden in the small print that I didn't read.

 

[diamond.g]

It is not, just take a look at how established provides like Google AAOS provides it. There are rules and regulations and the primary car systems are always separated. You can reboot the entire system whilst driving without adverse impacts on primary controls like brakes, steering, gears, indicators etc.

It be interesting to see how that certain manufacturer gets around it considering the amount of software sensors being used, and even the drive selection is via software and a touch screen.

Unless you drive manual, I'm pretty sure most vehicles use software for gear selection in modern vehicles (no link between gear selector and transmission).

 

[MacNerd1239]

I saw a video of the new Chevy Traverse and it can show Apple Maps data from CarPlay on the instrument cluster. I'd say this is next gen carplay -- maybe not in it's full iteration, but it's something that we haven't had before as far as I'm aware?

 

[icanhazmac]

What driver data exactly?

Your Driving Data May Be Sold To Insurers, General Motors Admits

Today's smart cars collect a wealth of data. Many drivers don't realize that their detailed driving habits are being sold to third parties and can raise insurance rates.

www.forbes.com

Or search on GM Lexis Nexis.

Multiple manufacturers are/were selling data to brokers that were compiling risk assessments that influenced insurance providers. I believe a member of MR was involved with the story published in the NYT.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/car-insurance-tracking-apps.2428349/?post=33188270#post-33188270

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Unless you drive manual, I'm pretty sure most vehicles use software for gear selection in modern vehicles (no link between gear selector and transmission).

Sure, nothing new about control by wire or software, however there is a difference between a physical lever, button, and its primary control software, vs a UI on a touch screen that displays the controls without such a lever. When the UI layer, like what is being discussed here, is rebooted how would you control the vehicle?

 

[cyb3rdud3]

I saw a video of the new Chevy Traverse and it can show Apple Maps data from CarPlay on the instrument cluster. I'd say this is next gen carplay -- maybe not in it's full iteration, but it's something that we haven't had before as far as I'm aware?

Nope this isn't that CarPlay via Google AAOS have been able to do that for the past 20 months or so. That is how it works in a Polestar when using Apple Carplay.

 

[macfacts]

A LOT. Check this article out...

Discover how your auto collects data! 🚗 Dive in & learn more! 🔍

Ever wondered how your car knows you? Explore the booming business of auto data collection, the future of car connectivity, and the privacy concerns you should be aware of. Dive in! 🚗📊

www.lgt.com

I've got a 2018 Chevy Impala and still have the ability to use my iPhone with CarPlay.

That report from an investment bank doesn't list any data, just that BMW tried to get drivers to pay subscription fees for heated seats and that that's " just the beginning".

 

[macfacts]

I saw a video of the new Chevy Traverse and it can show Apple Maps data from CarPlay on the instrument cluster. I'd say this is next gen carplay -- maybe not in it's full iteration, but it's something that we haven't had before as far as I'm aware?

Being able to see maps and music selection in the "instrument cluster" is not better than looking at the large screen in the center console. That's just moving the screen.

 

[diamond.g]

Sure, nothing new about control by wire or software, however there is a difference between a physical lever, button, and its primary control software, vs a UI on a touch screen that displays the controls without such a lever. When the UI layer, like what is being discussed here, is rebooted how would you control the vehicle?

There are alternative control options for gear selection that are normally "hidden". They can be used even if the UI layer is working.