CrysisDeu
macrumors 65816
Chinese companies. Apple is an international company and it has to compete worldwide
Apple Said Next-Generation CarPlay Would 'Arrive' in 2024… It Didn't
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AndiG
macrumors 65816
Android Automotive has a strong momentum. Rivian, you mentioned it, is Android Automotive under the hood. You‘ll find Android in the most EVs nowadays. BMW switched to it. VW will switch to Rivian, Porsche did switch to Android Automotive with the Macan, Polestar, Ford, GM - just to name a few.
And AA has a higher integration into the car, it has access to more telemetry data, is able to control the HUD and much more.
Times are changing. Android is on its way to become the dominant infotainment system. CarPlay is only valueable for cars with old infotainment systems.
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Agent007
macrumors 6502
Exactly. This is why CarPlay2 is probably vaporware.
Also, I think “marque” is more common in British English so maybe its younger Americans or Canadians who haven’t heard it before.
Veinticinco
macrumors 68000
I think you have misread what I wrote. Titan was cancelled with the rationale given being Apple would instead look to refocus efforts on software, namely the further development of CarPlay. Which let’s be honest, hasn’t really evolved significantly over the past decade since launch, other than enabling a wireless protocol. And this latest report doesn’t exactly bode well for an embryonic CarPlay 2.0 does it?
You know what I find odd about this.
Your Driving Data May Be Sold To Insurers, General Motors Admits
Today's smart cars collect a wealth of data. Many drivers don't realize that their detailed driving habits are being sold to third parties and can raise insurance rates.www.forbes.com
Or search on GM Lexis Nexis.
Multiple manufacturers are/were selling data to brokers that were compiling risk assessments that influenced insurance providers. I believe a member of MR was involved with the story published in the NYT.
Nobody is being convicted of speeding using this data.
Well based upon what you say below...
No, UNIX is not the basis of Linux. Linux isn't even derived from Unix, but it is inspired by Unix's design principles. It is Unix-like. But it doesn't share the codebase, doesn't have the certification. It is POSIX-compliant, however.
And, where it deviates, macOS is actually a UNIX. The current version is a UNIX 03 and properly certified. https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3710.htm
Similarly, Android is a Unix like system, whilst iOS is based on an actual Unix but is not certified. Whilst one can argue that they both have Unix-like principle, their lineage is entirely unique and originate from distinct different technology and development philosophies.
So when you look at iOS which is derived from macOS which is built on Darwin which combines the Mach kernel with a BSD Unix layer it is giving iOS a direct Unix heritage. But not certified. Now compare that to Android which is based on a Linux kernel which is Unix-like but isn't Unix.
So you were saying? ...
icanhazmac
Cancelled
Yes and no.
For many years we have had things like EZ-Pass for toll roads and turnpikes. You get timestamped when you get on and when you get off, it would be easy to calculate your average speed and probably write speeding tickets for 60+% of drivers.
They don't because people would absolutely revolt and that would be the start of real privacy law in the US. Right now the average Joe is the frog in a pot, blissfully swimming about with no concern for the slowly rising temperature.
I don't buy that really. We have many tolls roads and even on some of those that aren't have average speed cameras. Maybe they do share the data with the govt and they use them to plan where to put speed cams.
I have half a mind now to ask what data and how it is being used by my vehicle manufacturer.
diamond.g
macrumors G5
I've said before that CarPlay needs to be able to run without a phone (like Android Automotive).
I’m in the US and was a bit surprised by the reaction here to the word “marque”. Might be an age thing as you suggest.
you are wasting your breath with that chap. He is reading to reply, not to comprehend. Luckily the site has an ignore feature, life is too short for fixed mindsets of that order of magnitude.
WinstonSmyth
macrumors member
I find the Tesla navigation to be superior to Apple CarPlay. Being able to pan and pinch zoom is much better than using the little +- and pan arrows on the screen.
When I first bought my Tesla, I thought I would miss CarPlay, but soon you realize having CarPlay would make no sense in a Tesla, and it's not missed at all.
I just set the navigation, never had the need to pan and pinch zoom 🤷♂️ And straight from my calendar entries to the destination. Easy peasy.
Lol, what benefit does it give carmakers to handout the brains of the car to Apple?
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
It’s a benefit to the consumers. Blackberry is an excellent reminder of what happens when you and your consumer don’t match.
AndiG
macrumors 65816
Point is that Apple software does always need Apple hardware. Closed software that Apples software is, needs Apple to maintain it. Car manufacturers want to deliver 15 years of software updates. IMHO the only way to achieve this, is to give manufacturers a source license - impossible with todays Apple.
And even then and if - the Linux and OSS community is missing and as we all know, Apple software is so damn buggy, every year, evvery year. Bugs, bugs, bugs.
Of course Apple change this and release an automotive grade OS, but this would require groundbreaking changes. Not inly collecting bugs, but really fix bugs. I would love an automotive grade, bugfree OS for my Mac and Phone, as well.
I don‘t see this possibility of Apple entering the car infotainment within the next 5 years.
Well, carmakers here in Europe offer much better solutions than Apple CarPlay. Most of their devices software cars are using is Androidauto which is open source and carmakers can tweak it to make it a custom built. Apple’s CarPlay is going the same route as AppleTV when you ask me. Most TV manufacturers also use open sourced Android with a skin for their tv offerings. Apple is nowhere to be seen and is losing another market.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
I like CarPlay. It provides a consistent interface and lets me choose among maps, Waze and google navigation of all of which I trust more than android auto built in navigation.
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diamond.g
macrumors G5
What is the reason for CP2 that makes CP1 “unusable“?
AndiG
macrumors 65816
What exactly do you think is „android auto“ built in navigation?
First of all, Android Auto is the same approach like Apple CarPlay. What you guys were talking about is Android Automotive. But what next?
Do you talk about Android Automotive with GAS (Google Services) which could add Google Maps navigation, you don‘t trust? Or do you talk about many other solutions car manufacturers can implement or use any other 3rd party solution?
Last but not least. Modern car navigation systems do not only navigate. Especially with EVs they add charging stops and right before the next stop for a charger they precondition the battery for charging. Something neither Apple CarPlay nor Android Auto can do.
Android Automotive or any other infotainment OS has direct access to a cars telemetry data. You can try to emulate this with e.g. ABRP (A better route planner) - but to match the build in functionality, you have to use a OBD2 dongle to deliver the data from the car to the app and then precondtition the cars battery manual.
And finally, there will always be some people who like one solution better than the other - and that‘s ok. As long as CarPlay can not access the cars api the same way the internal solution does (security!) this isn‘t a fair game.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
I like the CarPlay interface and I don’t care what the navigation is. If it looks like google maps for iOS I am comfortable with it. And it would be nice to have CarPlay in my Tesla, which I can but I choose not to. I can always use ABRP for charging stops on CarPlay.
DownUnderDan
macrumors 6502a
Trying to develop a platform that would integrate that deeply into various manufacturers car platforms would be an absolute nightmare. The industry is also well known for wanting to lock everything and everyone out of their onboard systems. I wouldn't be surprised if the car manufacturers are just not willing to give Apple the access or make changes Apple has requested to their hardware and software to make CarPlay manageable as a software project across many brands and models with that deep a level of integration required. Throwing Car Play on the enterntainment system is one thing and was still a challenge that took years, but Apple is now playing a whole different ball game with these ambitions.
No true — Apple CarPlay is actually supported on Google AAOS and, going by the sounds of android phone users, way better than Android Auto is. Google AAOS is not Android Auto, it has a different classification for apps, and notably many podcast apps aren't available.
Similarly, like with TV manufacturers using Google OS, you can still Airplay and have Apple TV+ on there. Those with home cinema setups would prefer an Apple TV as the streaming device, as the panel is typically just a dumb panel. Those who don't would never anyway.
Exactly, I really like Google AAOS. First where I haven't felt the need to use Apple CarPlay. And the integration of Google maps with the car is not only excellent, but intelligent as well for dynamic and most efficient route mapping. ABRP just doesn't do it for me, too slow, too remote, too manual. It is hard work. It is relaxing to just trust the inbuilt system and let it do the charging stops. Furthermore, it has improved a lot over the years as well. And for many, the killer feature being battery preconditioning when navigating to a DC charging point. By always having the battery optimised, it can significantly speed up the charging times.
Our home in the UK is in a very hilly area, that situational awareness is great. Whilst our home in the Netherlands is unsurprisingly in a flat area. I also like how it is aware of my home charging situation and takes that into account. I've used it to travel across 9 different countries, never failed me. And as it is an inbuilt system that can make use of other navigational/directional aids, it also maintains direction through tunnels and built-up areas unlike a phone can, and doesn't drain the phone battery.
