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Interesting. I was trying to figure out if I should wait to buy a 128GB or what. May wait a few weeks for this all to die down, I guess. It's hard to know who to believe.

Actually it is obvious. If i were you, i would not wait. It would be just waste of time.
 
The iPhone 6 has seen such a dramatic re-design, I was one to call it that there would be a lot of engineering failures. It's normal!

And as an engineer myself, I get to wonder how they manage to come up with so many changes in so little time. They have to work in parallel somehow, because one year is absolutely nothing.
 
I think I'll wait a bit before picking up an iPhone 6. Not like I have a choice anyway. No stock anywhere. I'd like to know though if there would be a way to tell what new phones had the new memory. Wonder if they'd end up with different SNs.
 
…BTW, for those who mentioned sluggishness on the iPhone 6 Plus compared to the iPhone 6 -- read the "iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus: Preliminary Results" article they did over at Anandtech. They called this in the first few days of the release: the Plus has more pixels but the same processor/GPU. As a result, it has to work harder to push the same information on the screen and there are some performance lags. Maybe they can improve this over time through software updates and an improved rendering system for the specific resolution of the 6 Plus, but until then there will be some minor trade-offs. (I personally would love to see the A8X make its way to the iPhones and iPad Mini, too, but I digress...)

Then Apple should have not released a higher resolution phone. I'm sure Apple knew of this beforehand, that the 6 Plus was sluggish and not as responsive as the 6, but Apple had to rush the 6 Plus to market. What they should have done was put the A8X chip in the 6 Plus. One can only hope that the 6s Plus will utilize the A8X chip.

The iPhone 6 has seen such a dramatic re-design, I was one to call it that there would be a lot of engineering failures. It's normal!

And as an engineer myself, I get to wonder how they manage to come up with so many changes in so little time. They have to work in parallel somehow, because one year is absolutely nothing.

Exactly, I believe the iPhone 6 is the most untested release in iPhone history, whether that be software or hardware.
 
Then Apple should have not released a higher resolution phone. I'm sure Apple knew of this beforehand, that the 6 Plus was sluggish and not as responsive as the 6, but Apple had to rush the 6 Plus to market. What they should have done was put the A8X chip in the 6 Plus. One can only hope that the 6s Plus will utilize the A8X chip.



Exactly, I believe the iPhone 6 is the most untested release in iPhone history, whether that be software or hardware.

they've had some problems with the 6 but I think for the most part the 6 is the best phone they've ever had, I have no issues with mine.
I have the 128 and it's great.
 
Any lawyer preparing a class action for the benefit of all the TLC that got the "cheap" SSD?

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they've had some problems with the 6 but I think for the most part the 6 is the best phone they've ever had, I have no issues with mine.
I have the 128 and it's great.

Problems or no problem, you paid $$$ for a device, and Apple is now putting in an SSD of higher quality, within a little over a month of a device's release.... the return/exchange policy for affected devices should be extended indefinitely. Apple should should be required to replace any devices purchased with the "affordable for Apple" TLC SSDs, or they should take responsibility and issue a recall.

No one wants to be the one that uses a device for 1, 2, 3, 4 years down the road building up to that tipping point when your space gets to a point your phone starts crashing or cycling.
 
Apple Said to Be Stopping Use of TLC NAND Flash in iPhone 6 and 6 Plus After ...

wonder if this is what happened to my iPhone 6+ 64GB



still trying to get a brand new iPhone as the replacement has a battery life of a few hours, my iPhone 5 has a better battery life



pics + video

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=20103266#post20103266


It's not because there is no issue with the RAM used in the phone. That was a false rumor being spread by Apple's competitors. See the Maclife article referred to in previous posts in the thread. Whatever your problem it's something else, possibly software related.
 
It's not because there is no issue with the RAM used in the phone. That was a false rumor being spread by Apple's competitors. See the Maclife article referred to in previous posts in the thread. Whatever your problem it's something else, possibly software related.

was now just reading about all this + trying to decifer what was going on

so NAND flash is not an issue? what's causing a lot of brand new iPhones to crash + burn?

they said I had a kernel panic but I still can't believe a brand new iPhone could have one - had one on a MacBook that I had for over 5 years, that at least gives it time to cause enough problems for a kernel panic

there is def something going on with some that should not be happening on 1K iPhones, not everyone's comes on to forums to post and a lot of people have not even been able to get the plus yet

no matter the problem it's a totally bummer to have your iPhone not preform to its best when brand new
 
The iPhone 6 has seen such a dramatic re-design, I was one to call it that there would be a lot of engineering failures. It's normal!

And as an engineer myself, I get to wonder how they manage to come up with so many changes in so little time. They have to work in parallel somehow, because one year is absolutely nothing.

You lost me at "a lot" which isn't really a very precise definition of quantity for an engineer, me being an engineer and all that. Perhaps what you meant to state is that Apple has failures like any other company, but the exposure in the press from being, well Apple, tends to blow these failures all out of proportion.
 
Apple Said to Be Stopping Use of TLC NAND Flash in iPhone 6 and 6 Plus After ...

was now just reading about all this + trying to decifer what was going on



so NAND flash is not an issue? what's causing a lot of brand new iPhones to crash + burn?



they said I had a kernel panic but I still can't believe a brand new iPhone could have one - had one on a MacBook that I had for over 5 years, that at least gives it time to cause enough problems for a kernel panic



there is def something going on with some that should not be happening on 1K iPhones, not everyone's comes on to forums to post and a lot of people have not even been able to get the plus yet



no matter the problem it's a totally bummer to have your iPhone not preform to its best when brand new


My guess would be ios 8.1 or bad apps or a combination of both. In any case I've not had any problems beyond some apps that were not ios8 or iPhone 6 compatible. Most of those were fixed by the developers and at present all the apps I use regularly are working well enough and the phone itself has never crashed once since I got it at the beginning of October.
 
There's no real way to gauge how many people out there who are truly satisfied with their new iPhone 6/6+. I returned mine based on the lack of thought that went into a premium class device.

Instead of making excuses for Apple, look at it this way. Me and many other people out there to who paid $1033.11 for a premium product (128GB iPhone 6 Plus) have certain expectations. I for one, expect it to be perfect and flawless in every way. $1033.11 for a 128GB iPhone 6 Plus is a few dollars shy of a 13" 128GB Macbook Air or a 13" 2.5GHz Macbook Pro.

When I hold the latest and greatest, I want to feel that way and let other people in the room know, this is a iPhone 6 Plus, but over the past 2 weeks other than a bigger screen it's plagued with software issues and permanent hardware design issues and when I look at other premium devices that don't have these issues I start to feel stupid for paying so much for a incomplete product.

I love the iPhone and iPad, at the same time I won't allow my emotions to cloud my judgement and the iPhone 6/6+, imho, is a disappointment. I'll just have to hang on to my 5s until they release a 6s Plus.
 
Did none of you read the article here:

http://www.maclife.com/article/news/morning_report_tlc_nixed_iphone_6_pixelmator_mac_33_amazon_echo

It is a dead issue. The initial post was based on a false rumor. There is nothing further to discuss.

Macrumors should stay on top of this and update the post on the frontpage. Not everyone is going to look through the comments and find a link, go to it, and read it to find out its a rumor. The longer the frontpage isn't updated, the more this rumor is going to propagate.
 
Macrumors should stay on top of this and update the post on the frontpage.


Maybe they will. It's the weekend so they probably don't get to everything as quickly as they might. At any rate it's up to them to close the thread now that the whole thing has turned out not to be true.
 
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Apple will switch from using TLC (triple-level cell) NAND flash to MLC (multi-level cell) NAND flash in the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus after users have experienced crashing and boot loop issues with the higher capacity versions of both devices, reports BusinessKorea.

Sources have told the paper that flash memory firm Anobit, which Apple acquired in 2011, is to blame for the manufacturing defects. Apple will reportedly switch to MLC NAND flash for the 64GB iPhone 6 and the 128GB iPhone 6 Plus, and will also address crashing and boot loop issues with the release of iOS 8.1.1. Apple has used MLC NAND flash before, in previous-generation iPhones. Apple released its first iOS 8.1.1 beta to developers earlier this week, although the company did not specify whether the included bug fixes addressed boot loop and crashing issues on the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus. Users who are experiencing an unusual amount of boot loops and crashes with their iPhone 6 or iPhone 6 Plus are recommended to bring their devices back to an Apple Retail Store for a replacement.

Article Link: Apple Said to Be Stopping Use of TLC NAND Flash in iPhone 6 and 6 Plus After Reported Issues


Other sites have now updated their articles to label this as a hoax brought on by a single Korean news outlet.

Where is the update Macrumors? Or are you content to pass off fiction?
 
You lost me at "a lot" which isn't really a very precise definition of quantity for an engineer, me being an engineer and all that. Perhaps what you meant to state is that Apple has failures like any other company, but the exposure in the press from being, well Apple, tends to blow these failures all out of proportion.

Woah, so because I use terms like "a lot" instead of a specific count number makes me an impostor? :eek:

Look, I didn't want to go through all this again in my head and give you a specific count : bend-gate, nand-gate, hair-gate and beard-gate, iOS-8.0.1-update-gate, bluetooth-gate, wirelurker virus, the ugly bands, iCloud drive document losses, the replacement of Camera Roll vs Photo losses, WiFi sync failures, etc.

Of course I have to give you that Apple being Apple doesn't help, because they define themselves as the perfection in the premium products class, thus they get A LOT of media attention when anything bad happens. (And no, I don't have a specific count for this "A LOT" either :p)
 
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It is bad to say that problem is in 6 or 6+ devices. I have a 5s 64gb and crash every times... I have 2 reboots in the past half an hour...
In 7.1.2 works preety good... With iOS 8 cames the problem..
All apps (for example whatsapp or facebook or twitter, which works fine in most of devices) CRASH ON STARTUP. And the reboots are very frecuently...
You guys have 1 year warranty to waits wondering its a software problem (that its probably) but i only have 60 days, and i wont waits a software update, because noone confirm that a software update solve my problems...
Because that in a few days i bring my phone back to an applestore and change to another one.
I restored several times to iOS 8, 8.1 and 8.0.2, sometimes in normal mode and sometimes in dfu, nothing works.
In crash reports the most of them sais EXC_BAD_INSTRUCTION (SIGILL) or EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS).
I dont know what is that, and if its releated with this errors in TLC NAND FLASH MEMORY... Please help Apple!!!!!!!
 
It is bad to say that problem is in 6 or 6+ devices. I have a 5s 64gb and crash every times... I have 2 reboots in the past half an hour...

In 7.1.2 works preety good... With iOS 8 cames the problem..

All apps (for example whatsapp or facebook or twitter, which works fine in most of devices) CRASH ON STARTUP. And the reboots are very frecuently...

You guys have 1 year warranty to waits wondering its a software problem (that its probably) but i only have 60 days, and i wont waits a software update, because noone confirm that a software update solve my problems...

Because that in a few days i bring my phone back to an applestore and change to another one.

I restored several times to iOS 8, 8.1 and 8.0.2, sometimes in normal mode and sometimes in dfu, nothing works.

In crash reports the most of them sais EXC_BAD_INSTRUCTION (SIGILL) or EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS).

I dont know what is that, and if its releated with this errors in TLC NAND FLASH MEMORY... Please help Apple!!!!!!!


If you restored your phone as new and it still had problems like that it's probably hardware related, but of course completely unrelated to the falsely reported TLC NAND memory in the iPhone 6 since you have a 5s. Do go back to the Apple Store for a replacement.
 
I returned my 128GB iPhone 6 plus on the 13th day to Verizon and here's why. Please, I'm not a Apple hater nor am I a Apple fan, these devices to me are nothing but tools and with any tool I want them to be efficient and work smoothly without issues. I've been using the iPhone since 4s and I own a 64GB iPad Air WiFi.

Whether it's a person or device making excuses is a bad sign in a new relationship. First off, hardware, from a practical standpoint iPhone 6/6+ contains some of the biggest design flaws of any iPhone. While everyone is talking about bendgate, my main issue is with the relocation of the power button. I am unable to see the wisdom placing the power button directly opposite of the volume buttons where the opposing force required by Newton's third law would require pressure on both sets of buttons. Then I began looking at hardware designs from other phone makers like NOKIA, MOTOROLA and SAMSUNG. What I noticed is no other phone, besides the iPhone 6/6+ places buttons directly opposite of each other. NOKIA and MOTOROLA has all their buttons on one side. Samsung's latest Note 4 places the power button on the other side but lower than the volume buttons. Apple claims they moved the power button for easier reach? That would be on the top, where it should have remained. Now, putting the phone to sleep and taking screenshots is completely awkward.

Next up is Reachability. This is the part I REALLY don't understand about Apple's new design philosophy. If Reachability was intended to bring the touch screen within thumbs reach, then why are the power button and volume buttons out of reach? Why didn't Apple design the volume and power buttons to be within reach of one hand like in all previous iPhones? On the iPhone 4s and 5s all buttons were within single hand 5 finger reach. Seems like the software and hardware team aren't getting along.

Thirdly, is the stupid protruding camera. Why make the phone thinner and have a protruding camera? Your average iPhone user isn't going to know what sapphire crystal is. The average person is gonna think, "OK, a protruding camera, if I use it without a case whenever I leave it on a table I'm afraid I'll damage the camera lens, let me put a case on it". If people are going to use phone cases anyway making a phone thinner completely defeats the purpose. I'd rather have a thicker phone and have the body flush with the camera with longer battery life and better structural rigidity.

Lastly, software. They released 8.01 only to brick new phones and quickly released 8.02 to fix the problems with 8.01. Not to mention 8.1 still has a TON of issues.

It seems from a hardware and software standpoint, the iPhone 6/6+ is completely untested before releasing to market. Apple knows they'll sell their new iPhone 6 no matter what and even if there are problems with it, people are going to put up with it or forget about their 14 day return policy with their carrier.

I guess I'm one of the few who don't put up with this nonsense. I'm skipping the iPhone 6 and I'll be waiting for the iPhone 6s/7 or whatever they're gonna call the next iPhone. By then iOS 8 should be more stable and mature and hopefully Apple will address the hardware issues. If not I'll have to painfully move away from Apple and give a shot at my first Android phone.



OMG, I noticed the exact same thing on my 6 plus! When I go in Application Switcher mode (double tap home button) I feels jerky and not as smooth as the 6 or the 5s. I believe TMay is right, due to the increased amount of pixels on screen, graphics performance took a hit and Apple is saying nothing about it.

Before all iPhones were the same size, this is the first time Apple is offering 2 sizes and with the 6 plus Apple also overlooked the performance issue when you add more pixels on screen. As any gamer knows, when you increase resolution graphics performance takes a hit and unless you increase graphics horsepower to match the increase in pixels what you'll get in return is laggy performance.

I've never read so much tosh in my life !? Get a life it's just a phone!
 
I've never read so much tosh in my life !? Get a life it's just a phone!

Do you pay full price for your phones? I do because I'm one of those grandfathered plans with unlimited data. If you paid over $1000 for a PREMIUM class phone wouldn't you make a big deal if it wasn't perfect in every way?
 
Definite issue with both mine and my wife's 6+ 128GB units.

When this happens, you suddenly see the white Apple logo on a black screen, that I usually see when the phone is being turned on. This lasts between 5-10 seconds then the phone comes back to the "home page" displaying the apps.

When it happens I noticed that it also resets the "battery usage" section where it shows usage and standby times but does not effect battery usage by app % figures.... The battery and standby times are replaced with a - symbol as if they've been reset.

Happens on both our phones, not linked to any one particular app or function and is not deliberately repeatable. Both phone have 100 or less apps so it is not related to massive numbers of apps as others have alluded to.

My phone has 63GB free and my wife's is almost empty as we have not yet put her music or videos on it yet.....
 
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