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Apple Said to Be Stopping Use of TLC NAND Flash in iPhone 6 and 6 Plus After Reported Issues

In other news, Apple announced they will end their partnership with Anobit along with GT Advanced for production issues and lay off all employees.

Oh wait, they own Anobit! HAHA! Never mind. :D
 
doelcm82 said:
It's more important to get the story out fast than to fact-check. Also it's fun to say "boot loops".

I have 128GB iPhone 6+, and I haven't experienced any boot loops. If I did, I would take it back to Apple and ask them to make it right. But since I'm not having problems, I won't go in and say I need a new iPhone because MacRumors says a Korean tech journal says "sources" say there's a problem.
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But there will be whiny Sheldons that will go in TODAY and demand a swap. And if they get one with the problem, that would be just so cosmically delicious...
 
I wish apple would stop forcing their employees to come on these forums and quickly respond with, "It didn't do that for me... Mine is perfectly fine...". I get tired of those posts.
 
Must say, this has happened to my 6+ 128GB a couple of times, though I swear it's related to an app or two I have...
 
ablashek said:
i'm surprised nobody gets it.

the iphone 6 and 6 plus where public beta releases of the hardware. apple wants us to test, give feedback, and they will improve the product.
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No, it was a manufacturing reach around.

Who is the largest purchaser of Anobit memory? Apple. Oh, and they OWN Anobit... Nice technique, poor execution...
 
TMay said:
Other sites now refuting the TLC NAND Flash failure claim and stating that it is a software/firmware issue.
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Yeah, it's been pretty much proven that TLC is reliable and quite useful in consumer devices.

Samsung has been using TLC for a while, and now SanDisk has started using TLC. It's very possible that more and more manufacturers will be bringing out TLC-based products, soon.

TLC's program/erase count estimates have shown to be accurate and reliable in multiple stress tests, and with typical use those could translate to many more years of use than most people would ever keep their device. Keep your phone 2, 4, 6 or even 10 years? No problem, the TLC NAND could keep working for way longer than that. Way, way longer than that.

And yes, I'm posting this from a computer that has its OS installed on TLC NAND.

Is MLC better than TLC? Sure it is. Current MLC can last around three times longer than TLC. But when you're talking about NAND life expectancy that can stretch into the decades in devices that most people don't use longer than 3 years, does that matter?
 
My wife and I both have 128GB models and not a single problem with them. I have TLC SSD's in numerous laptops/desktops and not a single problem.

Ya'll love to overreact!
 
doelcm82 said:
It's more important to get the story out fast than to fact-check. Also it's fun to say "boot loops".

I have 128GB iPhone 6+, and I haven't experienced any boot loops. If I did, I would take it back to Apple and ask them to make it right. But since I'm not having problems, I won't go in and say I need a new iPhone because MacRumors says a Korean tech journal says "sources" say there's a problem.
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I agree entirely.

With the TLC issues, it's probably just a bad batch or something . . .

No issues yet with my iPhone 6 Plus 128 GB, and it is more than 50% full . . .

I will say though that between this, BendGate, and the iPad Air 2 Speaker Popping issue, Apple seems to have dropped the ball, at least on hardware-software interaction if not on the hardware itself . . .

Here's hopping that iOS 8.1.1 will help . . .
 
RickInHouston said:
I wish apple would stop forcing their employees to come on these forums and quickly respond with, "It didn't do that for me... Mine is perfectly fine...". I get tired of those posts.
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I think they're just regular people who genuinely have bug free devices but what pisses me off is those who claim others aren't having issues with their phones at all.
 
Tubebaum said:
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This reminds me of 80s. I should have been developing circuits, instead of working for a big (useless and stupid) company. (Young) guys, follow your dream and don't rush to get a cushy job right after the college.
 
Well this sucks. I have a 6 w/64GB and I find that some of my apps do indeed crash a lot. But how do I know if the problem is the NAND or the OS or the apps? And I don't know that I can reliably reproduce the steps required to make an app crash. And is an Apple store Genius going to really give me a replacement phone even if I could recreate getting an app to crash? They won't know if it's the NAND or the OS or the app that's the culprit, either.
 
The only time I experience something like this is when my phone dies from battery outage.

I plug it in to charge and it takes like 5-6 times of reboots until it thinks it has enough of a charge to start.

Is that the issue?
 
hipnetic said:
Well this sucks. I have a 6 w/64GB and I find that some of my apps do indeed crash a lot. But how do I know if the problem is the NAND or the OS or the apps? And I don't know that I can reliably reproduce the steps required to make an app crash. And is an Apple store Genius going to really give me a replacement phone even if I could recreate getting an app to crash? They won't know if it's the NAND or the OS or the app that's the culprit, either.
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Do a restore and see if the problem continues. If it does, look at the logs. If nothing else, they are hysterical reading at times. 'This is not the droid you are looking for'...

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cr2 said:
This reminds me of 80s. I should have been developing circuits, instead of working for a big (useless and stupid) company. (Young) guys, follow your dream and don't rush to get a cushy job right after the college.
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And Woz was a God among geeks and nerds...
 
NAND apple in the news again.

NAND here we go again.

NANA NANA NANA NANA BATMAN?!? Haha

NAND it looks like apple cheaped out again.
 
iPhone 6 128GB here and no issues. 8.1 or 8.1.1 65gb used 49 avail
 
do a lot of people with negative opinions of apple (or an inability to comprehend the concept of 'very few out of millions') keep an RSS feed of MR so they can chime in first with doom and gloom? i feel like the first 5-10 comments here are always the ones ready and willing to assume every little glitch is somehow affecting nearly all devices when the truth is quite the opposite.

"pffft guess apple doesn't test their stuff anymore"

"pffft [x]-gate"

"pfft pfft pfft pfft"

it's like the ebola scare of the tech world here sometimes.
 
The linked article doesn't say there is an issue with TLC itself, but instead it is a flaw with the controller used on the TLC storage.
 
My 64gb iPhone 6 seems fine. Article says other flash is faster. Wow
 
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