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Yes, both OS X and iOS apps. It probably wouldn't be restricted to Mac App Store for OS X apps.

What I'm saying is that it's the same OS in both environments, it's just iOS is optimized for the touchscreen and OS X with non-touch display/keyboard/mouse.

It would be fairly easy for Apple to provide both in the same device if there's a way to use OS X easily since it really isn't comfortable to use on a touchscreen. In this case, a thin detachable keyboard+touchpad might be enough. They certainly have some patents on such a detachable part.

An example would be Surface Pro, Metro = iOS and the "classic" desktop = OS X. Imagine on day one of this device, 1 million iOS apps already ready to go in addition to the OS X apps.

Very interesting. Hypothetically speaking, if Apple implements what you mention, I'm curious if they can pull it off with their own custom ARM-based processor or would they need to go with an Intel processor?
 
The Surface 2 pro is amazing. I've used it next to an iPad and it is a much better tool for working. It's ugly, but it is probably the best tablet I've used for creating anything instead if consuming info.

I've owned several Surface tablets and all of them crash all the time, blue screen and one was infected with tons of malware and trojans. Needless to say I sent them all back and now urge everyone to avoid these terrible products. iPad is the right choice for all kinds of users.
 
Sure is a lot of guess work in play with these BOM breakdowns. They can only guess on the pricing Intel gives for their processors to Apple (remember Apple doesn't ship AMD so they probably get a discount for being Intel exclusive) and we don't know how much Samsung charges to manufacture the A series CPU's Apple designs and we don't how much money they spend on developing their A series CPU's which could wipe out any manufacturing savings over using Intel where they don't have to pay for the chip development.
 
So Microsoft has to just delay the launch of iOS for iPad....so its surface can catch up?

What's wrong with iWork? Isn't it compatible with MS Office suite?
 
Very interesting. Hypothetically speaking, if Apple implements what you mention, I'm curious if they can pull it off with their own custom ARM-based processor or would they need to go with an Intel processor?

They probably can do both, they have enough experience to pull it off with going ARM in this case but that'll make a bigger impact since OS X apps have to be simply recompiled to support ARM.

Submissions to MAS could probably mandate this just like how Apple mandates certain things from iOS app devs for new submissions to the iOS App Store.
 
you wanna bet that there are teams working on optimizing OS X for touch and that it will be released upon a shocked industry? That would beat Microsoft and Android into submission.

Yeah--when osX with its 5% market share goes touch--who will notice?

It really looks like apple is going to go "power pc" with the A8. They may build an laplet-tablet around an upgraded ios. Might work, might not, Intel is resurgent and Apple may again paint themselves into a corner with second rate tech.
 
Apple better polish up their PlaySkool version of iWork.

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I've owned several Surface tablets and all of them crash all the time, blue screen and one was infected with tons of malware and trojans.

oh please--several surface tablets? what are you matching your ties to the type covers? The surface is a great device and windows 8.x is...manageable as long as you stay on th desktop. The surface is the only device i found exciting since the first unibody aluminum mbp. The ipad is a big phone--i like it--i own a couple--but its boring
 
I hope they go after Enterprise.
No one wants to update to Win8, and Win9 will probably not be any better.
Enterprise is screwed, no one knows what to do after Win7.
 
A pro model for the Enterprise and Pros.

Apple cannot just make a 12 inch or 12.9 inch model of the Air with more RAM and more flash nand!. That is just not enough. It needs to put in better screen like 2560 X 1600 resolution IPS panel with PRO grade color gamut. That is a first, then throw in 4GB Ram and potentially a new A8 SoC with upgraded gpu.
From a software point of view, throw in iPhoto PRO, paid Aperture PRO, iMovie PRO as well and a paid version of FCE PRO. This will attract photographers and videographers. Oh, with all that area beneath the unit, throw in CF slot (pro-photographers) and SDcard slots in flipdown/flip-close hinge like the original MBA ports. They can charge $1500 for a 128GB Nand version and people will buy it just because it will suit the needs of a segment of customers. Much like the few who gets the 128GB Air today.
 
Apple cannot just make a 12 inch or 12.9 inch model of the Air with more RAM and more flash nand!. That is just not enough. It needs to put in better screen like 2560 X 1600 resolution IPS panel with PRO grade color gamut. That is a first, then throw in 4GB Ram and potentially a new A8 SoC with upgraded gpu.
From a software point of view, throw in iPhoto PRO, paid Aperture PRO, iMovie PRO as well and a paid version of FCE PRO. This will attract photographers and videographers. Oh, with all that area beneath the unit, throw in CF slot (pro-photographers) and SDcard slots in flipdown/flip-close hinge like the original MBA ports. They can charge $1500 for a 128GB Nand version and people will buy it just because it will suit the needs of a segment of customers. Much like the few who gets the 128GB Air today.

At that point... why wouldn't they just get a Macbook Air?
 
At that point... why wouldn't they just get a Macbook Air?

The AIR display is just horrible!. The 15inch PRO makes the grade and besides, without a large touch screen, you cannot spin a DJ wheel on the Air and it is just too awkward to use for a pro photographer in the field. They can position 2 iPad PROs with one clipped to a tripod even!. Trying doing that with an Air Opened!.
 
I call this report b*****
It won't happen! Apple has said many times that they don't believe in hybrids and have criticized the way Microsoft has chosen with Windows 8. I am not saying that a bigger iPad isn't coming, but it won't be a hybrid! Don't believe all the rumors...
 
Most businesses have barely phased out Windows XP. Those that deploy iPads do so just to say they use iPads and sit on bean bags. Let Microsoft keep enterprise. Surface was a disaster and Apple has been adamant about tablets being tablets and laptops being laptops. Combining the two results in a crappy version of each product.
 
Most businesses have barely phased out Windows XP. Those that deploy iPads do so just to say they use iPads and sit on bean bags. Let Microsoft keep enterprise. Surface was a disaster and Apple has been adamant about tablets being tablets and laptops being laptops. Combining the two results in a crappy version of each product.

The Surface (hardware) wasn't the disaster, it was WINDOWS 8!!!
 
What you propose work for probably less than 20 files. I just did a search, I have over 5000 excel and close to 3800 powerpoint files on my HD, all broken out by client, project, task, sub-task. Most of those files have more than 1 version, with probably close to/over 80% of the ppts have 10+ revisions.

without a folder style approach and a persistent file system, I cannot imagine working in iOS - I really wish that I could. I recently bought a touchscreen windows 8 convertible - experience has been terrible.

not necessarily true -- see all the Exchange, security, and remote wipe/deployment support they've added to iOS over the years. that is not used by most consumers at all.

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if you think apple is going to bring back the file system metaphor on their wildly successful iOS, you're living in an alternate reality. the reason my dad can even use an iPhone is the departure from all that crap.

cars, and trucks. sounds like you need a truck.
 
The AIR display is just horrible!. The 15inch PRO makes the grade and besides, without a large touch screen, you cannot spin a DJ wheel on the Air and it is just too awkward to use for a pro photographer in the field. They can position 2 iPad PROs with one clipped to a tripod even!. Trying doing that with an Air Opened!.

Ah I see. Yeah iPads have great screens compared to the Macbook Air.

But pretty much everything else you listed that a pro would need is better served on a "real" laptop.

You say to put SD and CF card slots on an iPad Pro. But without a real file system in iOS... that won't do too much. Besides... pro photographers and videographers generate huge files. The iPad would be filled in no time.

And no matter how good "pro" iOS apps get... they're still not as good as OSX apps.

Apple may build a 12.9" iPad... but it will still be an iPad with the same limitations.
 
Ah I see. Yeah iPads have great screens compared to the Macbook Air.

But pretty much everything else you listed that a pro would need is better served on a "real" laptop.

You say to put SD and CF card slots on an iPad Pro. But without a real file system in iOS... that won't do too much. Besides... pro photographers and videographers generate huge files. The iPad would be filled in no time.

And no matter how good "pro" iOS apps get... they're still not as good as OSX apps.

Apple may build a 12.9" iPad... but it will still be an iPad with the same limitations.

iOS does have a real file system. It's not exposed and designed in the same manner that most people used to using computers are familiar with.
 
iOS does have a real file system. It's not exposed and designed in the same manner that most people used to using computers are familiar with.

Oh I know... but it's nowhere near as accessible or as powerful as a traditional laptop file system. It's fine for consumers though.

But remember... we were talking about this in the scope of how professionals would use such a device. Having limitations on the way they access their own files would be a pretty big problem.
 
I just don't think an iPad can be a a laptop and vice versa. Just look at Windows 8. IOS is not OSX. Can't see this happening. Sure SJ once talked about its one or the other and that's why competitors fail.
 
Wang said:
Arriving in fall ‘14, Apple goes Enterprise with an 12” iPad. Powered by the A8 chip (perhaps 4C), this expands ARM’s reach and, once again, transforms the traditional notebook market as we know it.

I see what you did there.
 
I call this report b*****
It won't happen! Apple has said many times that they don't believe in hybrids and have criticized the way Microsoft has chosen with Windows 8. I am not saying that a bigger iPad isn't coming, but it won't be a hybrid! Don't believe all the rumors...

Don't believe everything apple says. A lot of their comments are part of clever marketing.
 
I call this report b*****
It won't happen! Apple has said many times that they don't believe in hybrids and have criticized the way Microsoft has chosen with Windows 8. I am not saying that a bigger iPad isn't coming, but it won't be a hybrid! Don't believe all the rumors...

But apple said, and most people on these forums said a smaller iPad would not happen as would be unusable, and they spend years to find the perfect size at 9.7"
Then look what happened.

Apple said the current iPhone is the perfect size. Many here did also. So you think they are not going to bring out a larger version soon?

Dont you get it..... Apple are great salespeople. They will put on a show to convince YOU that what they have for sale NOW is perfect, and anything else would be wrong. So you should buy it.

They have been doing this for years expertly and are very very good at persuading consumers using this very very good sales technique. Having very careful videos shot and scripts written, edited to perfection to sell TODAY'S product to you today.
 
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