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Took me a little time to find that. It was before a stress test was run by LTT. 56c at idle. My overclocked to 4.8ghz 8700k with 1080ti gaming rig has an idle tempo of around 45c! It's water-cooled sure, but it's also constantly running at way higher ghz. 56c is NOT good
I am sitting at 38c right now as I write this with my machine in a leather "BookBook" case in a room that is 81f. I call BS!

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Took me a little time to find that. It was before a stress test was run by LTT. 56c at idle. My overclocked to 4.8ghz 8700k with 1080ti gaming rig has an idle tempo of around 45c! It's water-cooled sure, but it's also constantly running at way higher ghz. 56c is NOT good

Yeah 56c idle sucks.

My water cooled i7-2600K clocked to 4.2 GHz, all cores pegged, runs around 52c as long as you want it to.
 
You're overstating again. This was far from a "PR Disaster." Outside of this forum and a few others, I would venture to say no one even knew this was an issue or cared.

Again, it's very difficult to test every scenario and replicate every problem. You ever launch a product before? It's not easy, particularly on this scale. Apple fixed it quickly, so stop acting so high and mighty.
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Both of those products meet the expectations of their customers. Who said everyone enjoying a Bud is looking for the "best" or more "complex" beer?

I bet the lunch you had today was garbage compared to a 3 Michelin Star restaurant in NYC. Does that mean you're an idiot or that there is a time and place for everything?
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I addressed that in my second point of being able to run virtually anything on them.

Funny that you keep apologizing for a company caught delivering a buggy product. Acting high and mighty? What kind words.
Had certain clients not done the Q&A work for them, we would not have this discussion.

Oh, and fixing the thing quickly is kind of what you expect given the company image and strive for courage and perfection.
 
Well I don’t see that Apple was using the MBP for the overnight batch renders the OP thought MBP shouldn’t be used for, but you seem convinced that’s what the presentation shows, for some reason.

But if someone wants to use their MBP for overnight renders, they can certainly do so. It really doesn’t matter that Apple’s marketing dept. never said they could be used in that manner, since they obviously can. No complaints here!

The presentation shows a MBP sitting on a video editing desk and hooked up to monitors, speakers, RAID storage, and editing controllers. The intent of that picture was to show that a MBP could do all the work that previously required a desktop computer. Since there is no longer a desktop computer at that desk, all functions previously done on the desktop would be done on the MBP. That includes overnight batch renders and everything else.

I am not going to speculate as to whether the editor depicted in that presentation has access to other computers not seen in the picture:

"Well, maybe he has a second desk with a 12 core Mac Pro where he does all the heavy work"

"Maybe he works in a large company that has a render farm where they send all their overnight rendering jobs"
 
They're also not very fast, lol. Which would explain why they don't reach high speeds when they're effectively underclocked. Apple has a history of this, check the 4790k iMac... that thing had to downthrottle too.. A DESKTOP.



That still doesn't mean you've got experience with PC builds and cooling, something you CAN'T tinker with on Apple comps because Apple prefers to cram everything into as small footprint as possible... you should know this.
Do you have a source that MBPs are underclocked? Looking at the 2015 high-end model, for example, it's full speed.

Well I said semi-custom PCs and servers. So yes, I've "built" (aka assembled the lego pieces they give you for) PCs, and I know the basics of cooling. One server was home-built and meant to run max CPU load for long periods of time, the others rack units where I was actually concerned about the cooling of the room they're in. You make it sound like it's difficult or something to cool a desktop PC, which it's not unless you're either using the prohibitive iMac case or doing such extreme overclocking that you're more concerned about other problems.
 
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The presentation shows a MBP sitting on a video editing desk and hooked up to monitors, speakers, RAID storage, and editing controllers. The intent of that picture was to show that a MBP could do all the work that previously required a desktop computer. Since there is no longer a desktop computer at that desk, all functions previously done on the desktop would be done on the MBP. That includes overnight batch renders and everything else.

I am not going to speculate as to whether the editor depicted in that presentation has access to other computers not seen in the picture:

"Well, maybe he has a second desk with a 12 core Mac Pro where he does all the heavy work"

"Maybe he works in a large company that has a render farm where they send all their overnight rendering jobs"
Like I said, feel free to use the MBP for your overnight renders; I disagree with the OP. And if you want to infer “a MBP could do all the work that previously required a desktop computer” from the pic, go ahead.

But no one ever said it would equal the performance of a Mac Pro. Or maybe you’re also mind-reading that intent into that picture?
 
Since you've lost all faith and three years is a long time...Doesn't it make sense to find another computer manufacturer? Vote with your open wallet finding happiness with a computer that meets your needs and restores your faith. Courage.

My current equipment is listed in my signature. I do not need to upgrade my hardware or switch at this time. If Apple's poor software quality control continues, then I very well may switch in 4 years time.
 
Maybe start with yourself. You don't act like an adult who is responsible for his money, you act like a child who was given daddy's credit card. Not even the slightest HINT of potentially losing money seems to faze you, you just continue your blind fanaticism.

I've owned stocks son, and no one who uses stocks acts like you unless they simply don't care about their money. A potential issue would ending up costing the company AND you.

Why do you care so much about what others do with their money?
 
Just continue to ignore that video above and put your fingers in your ears like everyone who manages money :rolleyes:
Lol, do you own any equities? There is always something to worry about, but no investor with a clue sells until the facts change in the data. Apple’s numbers have never been better. This stuff you are being such an alarmist about is the normal course of business.

You can’t own stocks if you’re worried about this minor stuff.
 
I am sitting at 38c right now as I write this with my machine in a leather "BookBook" case in a room that is 81f. I call BS!

OMG how? My 2016 model averages around 65ºC at idle, no case, even less ambient temps, around 24ºC

Edit: I had Chrome open :) Closing it I get around 60c idle, with fans on auto. Fans on max, 50c is the lowest it goes
 
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Honestly a better example would be Bose (pre bluetooth era, as they've actually become competitive in price and sound now) or Beats. Both have the highest revenue for speaker manufacturers, and both suck compared to something like a Sennheiser 595/6xx/etc


I agree with you on bose and beats. Bose’s heyday was back in the 70’s with 901’s. Since they are overrated.
 
OMG how? My 2016 model averages around 65ºC at idle, no case, even less ambient temps, around 24ºC

Edit: I had Chrome open :) Closing it I get around 60c idle, with fans on auto. Fans on max, 50c is the lowest it goes
Holy smokes! I idle between 36-42c. You seriously idle that high!?!
 
Holy smokes! I idle between 36-42c. You seriously idle that high!?!

Yeah. I may need to open it and blow the dust off huh? I've only had it for a year and 4 months.

Edit: turns out having the Ultrafine 5k connected has a massive impact. 43c idle with the external monitor disconnected, auto fans, laptop is finally silent
 
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Yeah. I may need to open it and blow the dust off huh? I've only had it for a year and 4 months.

Edit: turns out having the Ultrafine 5k connected has a massive impact. 43c idle with the external monitor disconnected, auto fans, laptop is finally silent
Glad you figured it out :)

Good thing you aren’t a TechTuber—we might have had another thousand post thread filled with the usual hysterical complaints and pronouncements :D
 
Glad you figured it out :)

Good thing you aren’t a TechTuber—we might have had another thousand post thread filled with the usual hysterical complaints and pronouncements :D

Thanks. Another thing that I found makes a big difference is the mouse, I have a Logitech G903 gaming mouse with 1000Hz polling rate (sends the coordinates to the CPU 1000 times per second) - on my desktop PC it doesn't matter much but on the Macbook Pro it's about 10% utilisation and almost 10ºC more.

Bit of useless info but maybe it will help someone out.
 
Thanks. Another thing that I found makes a big difference is the mouse, I have a Logitech G903 gaming mouse with 1000Hz polling rate (sends the coordinates to the CPU 1000 times per second) - on my desktop PC it doesn't matter much but on the Macbook Pro it's about 10% utilisation and almost 10ºC more.

Bit of useless info but maybe it will help someone out.
Poorly optimized driver, Logitech can do better!
 
Likely because it doesn't affect everyone. Testing is great and a very important part of the process but in reality you don't find a lot of things until it's in the hands of the public.

All it was needed in order to realise the problem was a render in any of the Premiere, FCPX, C4D etc. Nothing exceptionally specific to some non-common procedure that was finally revealed due to wide public usage.

It's simply lack of a proper QC. But, then again, who is really surprised by that lately ?
 
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I’m a shareholder, so I own some of the company and I like to set the record straight when people act like children.

Apple is the best company in the world. Hate all you want.
We all make our choices and have opinions, but best company in the world? Do you have experience of EVERY other company in the world?
 
Totally exaggerating.The MBP is fully capable of working properly, as demonstrated by Apple with this fix. Apart from that, in the year 2018, you really want everything locked down. Or would you prefer it if some hacker can turn off the fans on your MacBook and the throttling, and it dies from overheating?
Yes. I would rather have a dead MBP than an empty bank account. The latter requiring less hacking skills.
So let's be honest. This isn't about hackers. This is about limiting me in what I can do with the hardware I buy.
 
Only sports photographers use XQD and Cfast. Most pro photographers use SD cards, including all youtubers. Pros are not just Olympics photographers. True consumers only use phones, they don't even use cameras anymore.

I beg to differ, wildlife photography is done on CF -> XQD/Cfast. A SD card can't empty out the buffer fast enough and I have yet to see a wedding photographer use SD since there camera's are predominantly full frame and therefor don't have a SD slot. Still the argument is that the MBP is not a pro laptop because is missed a SD slot which is predominantly a consumer standard. If its missing a pro slot it would be XQD or CFast just now so you can get right to your footage from your 6k Blackmagic or your images from your 1Dx/D5
 
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