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Nikon D500 (Pro level APSC uses XQD and SD), D850 (XQD and SD), D750 (SD). And then there's the other brands that some Pros use (Olympus, Sony, Pentax, etc) that use SD.

If anything, CF is getting harder to find and more expensive.

XQD and Cfast are being replaced with CF express. And the D500 is semi pro, the D5 with dual QXD or dual CF would be the pro model. Still my point is people say this is not a pro laptop due to a lack of SD(a consumer grade card) and not due to the lack of Cfast or XQD or CF which are all found in pro cameras and will be until CF express replaces these.
 
if the clock speed is running above the rated base clock speed (2.9GHz) using a benchmark test such as Cinebench (all cores 100%)...
then that’s good.


srry but you should definitely be satisfied with the 6cores running at a consistent 3.1 GHz during a Cinebench test.
(in my opinion at least).

Under no circumstances should anybody be proud of that much heat. These are not laptops that will be lasting for very long.
 
By the way, I feel like it should be mentioned, and haven't seen it mentioned yet:

DO NOT RUN YOUR MACBOOK PRO INSIDE THE FREEZER!
Condensation. This kills the crab.
 
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I could ask you the same question. You asked why my reply included a picture of Schiller. I gave you the link to the Apple presentation and the timestamp. As for why Schiller was overlayed with the keynote slide, you would have to ask Apple. I simply took a screenshot of the entire video frame as presented by Apple.
I asked why you used the pic, not where you got it lol. “Why”, as in, “for what reason?”

In the video you linked, Phil talks about a MBP with two 5K monitors and two 24TB RAID arrays attached to the four Thunderbolt 3 ports and says “So, when you think about that storage, those displays... this level of expandability and performance is not possible on any other notebook.”

But that’s true, so it couldn’t possibly have been what you meant when you posted the Schiller pic and said “Perhaps marketing departments should be more careful about what they say.”
 
Still my point is people say this is not a pro laptop due to a lack of SD(a consumer grade card) and not due to the lack of Cfast or XQD or CF which are all found in pro cameras and will be until CF express replaces these.

Only sports photographers use XQD and Cfast. Most pro photographers use SD cards, including all youtubers. Pros are not just Olympics photographers. True consumers only use phones, they don't even use cameras anymore.
 
Under no circumstances should anybody be proud of that much heat. These are not laptops that will be lasting for very long.
i only saw one example so far but the temp spiked then the chip dropped to a stable ~3.2GHz at ~90°C

idk, it basically acts the same way as my 2014 MBP.. not sure why you’re so alarmist acting..
if that’s hot to you then so be it but in my own experience, it’s not something that says the 2018 models won’t last very long..
again, only basing off of one video but it appears to be acting the same way as my past Macs which have lasted a long time.
 
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So basically this software patch does some vrm tweaks and adds an aggressive fan profile. These machines still run too hot, the vrms will give out, as well as the cpu and gpu. I can't wait for the apologists when this is remembered as the second 2011 Macs
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I'm going to bet that if I read your posts you've also said in the past that the butterfly switches weren't a problem and people were making them up (Something that will cost Apple millions).
They are a minor problem, already fixed in new machines and Apple is taking care of customers with the problem ones.

If it costs $100M, it will be a rounding error once again.
 
i only saw one example so far but the temp spiked then the chip dropped to a stable ~3GHz at ~90°C

idk, it basically acts the same way as my 2014 MBP.. not sure why you’re so alarmist acting..
if that’s hot to you then so be it but in my own experience, it’s not something that says the 2018 models won’t last very long..
again, only basing off of one video but it appears to be acting the same way as my past Macs which have lasted a long time.

These new macs generally idle hotter and go up to 100c way too fast
 
cool, we didnt even have to wait the fanbois to show up defending apple without a proper testing of the alledgedly solution by impartial sources
Cool, we didn’t need to wait long for the whiners and moaners to moan about not being able to whine about their need to moan about whining that there was nothing to moan or whine about in the first place lol
 
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Because the battery can't handle full speed CPUs and the thermal design cannot handle full speed CPUs, thanks to Mr. Ive and the thinness principles adopted by Apple. Now Apple could choose to make a Pro machine that handles both thermal and battery problems better, but they choose to believe that doing so will hurt their hipster image.

As a result Apple has chosen to lose customers rather than have a broad based product line.

Why bother putting in a fast processor when the laptop can not make full use of it ?
 
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I asked why you used the pic, not where you got it lol. “Why”, as in, “for what reason?”

In the video you linked, Phil talks about a MBP with two 5K monitors and two 24TB RAID arrays attached to the four Thunderbolt 3 ports and says “So, when you think about that storage, those displays... this level of expandability and performance is not possible on any other notebook.”

But that’s true, so it couldn’t possibly have been what you meant when you posted the Schiller pic and said “Perhaps marketing departments should be more careful about what they say.”

And again, the pic was in response to the original poster who seemed to disagree with how a laptop should be used. Specifically:

Who uses their laptops like desktop workstations like this? Laptops are meant for portability and not sustained workloads the like of which you are describing. If you are doing sustained workloads like this, definitely invest the money on a desktop. They are more reliable and won't crash like you mentioned.

As for your statement "Wasn’t sure why your reply included a picture of Schiller.", it's because the video showing the MacBook Pro hooked up to all that equipment and used like a desktop included Schiller in the frame. Why Schiller was included in the frame? Ask Apple.

Going back to the original poster's comment, people were expecting to use a laptop in that manner because Apple said that you could, as seen in their October 2016 Special Event video. So if people have a problem with that type of usage, they should take it up with Apple's marketing department.

And it was the same situation when Apple was putting 6 bit screens in 2007 MacBook Pros calling it so great and "color quality simply not available on any other laptop". When Apple was criticized for making such grandiose marketing claims with inferior lcd panels, Apple defenders sidetracked the issue by saying "why would anyone do color critical work on a laptop screen"? Again, because Apple said that you could.

Bad things happen when companies let their marketing departments run wild. Other examples:
VMware's product line: vThis, vThat, vYourMom, etc.
Citrix's product line: XenThis, XenThat, XenMyAss, etc.
Cisco, Microsoft and other companies putting the word "One" in their product names. Let this "One" fad die already.
Microsoft's dozens of different licenses for the same software. Example: Office 365.
 
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They are a minor problem, already fixed in new machines and Apple is taking care of customers with the problem ones.

If it costs $100M, it will be a rounding error once again.

Just continue to ignore that video above and put your fingers in your ears like everyone who manages money :rolleyes:
 
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I don't know if this is related or not, but I have also noticed better battery handling since this patch. Coincidence?
 
Only sports photographers use XQD and Cfast. Most pro photographers use SD cards, including all youtubers. Pros are not just Olympics photographers. True consumers only use phones, they don't even use cameras anymore.

I have to concur. When Canon added the SD slot to its pro cameras I viewed it as a backup, however I have since abandoned my CF cards and use SD exclusively.
 
And again, the pic was in response to the original poster who seemed to disagree with how a laptop was to be used. But people were expecting to use a laptop in that manner because Apple said that you could, as seen in that presentation. So if people have a problem with that, they should take it up with Apple's marketing department.
Well I don’t see that Apple was using the MBP for the overnight batch renders the OP thought MBP shouldn’t be used for, but you seem convinced that’s what the presentation shows, for some reason.

But if someone wants to use their MBP for overnight renders, they can certainly do so. It really doesn’t matter that Apple’s marketing dept. never said they could be used in that manner, since they obviously can. No complaints here!
 
This of no surprise to me. Apple's operating systems constantly introduce bug after bug after bug. Gone are the days of providing things that "just work". Over the last 2-3 years, I've lost all faith in Apple.

Since you've lost all faith and three years is a long time...Doesn't it make sense to find another computer manufacturer? Vote with your open wallet finding happiness with a computer that meets your needs and restores your faith. Courage.
 
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source on idle temps?

and why wouldn’t they get hotter faster with a test such as Cinebench.. there’s 1.5 the amount of cores we’ve seen in MBP in the past.
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Took me a little time to find that. It was before a stress test was run by LTT. 56c at idle. My overclocked to 4.8ghz 8700k with 1080ti gaming rig has an idle tempo of around 45c! It's water-cooled sure, but it's also constantly running at way higher ghz. 56c is NOT good
 
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Throttling doesn't happen because the CPU is too hot. It happens because the throttling software believes the CPU is too hot. "Bug" means the throttling software slowed down the CPU when it wasn't actually too hot, or didn't spin up the fans enough to cool the CPU down when it should have.

But that wasn't the problem. Apple set a crazy high power limit on the CPU and it was overloading the VRM chip, which then causes the CPU to be set to 800 MHz....high power problem goes away, CPU released to crazy high power limit, VRM overloads, rinse repeat. That's why we were seeing that crazy huge square wave fluctuation in CPU speed.

Apple's official explanation is lawyer bs. They screwed up by setting a power limit higher than the VRM can handle, compounded further given that the VRM isn't connected to the heat pipe.
 
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