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See what I mean? Engineer here.
There were some actual engineers in the other thread. Not that it takes that level of skill to open Intel Power Gadget and look at the CPU temperature.

As someone else said, the only thing that makes sense is incorrect temperature reporting. I can't think of anything else software-related that would cause this. Edit: Could also be fans not revving as high as they should.
 
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There were some actual engineers in the other thread. Not that it takes that level of skill to open Intel Power Gadget and look at the CPU temperature.

As someone else said, the only thing that makes sense is incorrect temperature reporting. I can't think of anything else software-related that would cause this.
Opening a program and reading numbers isn’t engineering. Neither is saying “I can’t think of anything else” without knowing the full picture. We don’t have access to what Apple knows or didn’t know.
 
There were some actual engineers in the other thread. Not that it takes that level of skill to open Intel Power Gadget and look at the CPU temperature.

As someone else said, the only thing that makes sense is incorrect temperature reporting. I can't think of anything else software-related that would cause this.

Well, the temperature could really be prohibitively hot - I'll imagine will see that commented about shortly if it's an issue.
 
Opening a program and reading numbers isn’t engineering. Neither is saying “I can’t think of anything else” without knowing the full picture. We don’t have access to what Apple knows or didn’t know.
Yeah it is. That's literally what engineers do, and also what kids diagnosing their gaming computer issues do. What they don't do is say Apple's software patch fixes the problem, before it's even released. I'm not jumping to any conclusions like you are.
 
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Mac rumors is a circus. Popcorn is almost always required when reading.
Agreed.
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Opening a program and reading numbers isn’t engineering. Neither is saying “I can’t think of anything else” without knowing the full picture. We don’t have access to what Apple knows or didn’t know.
apparently they were right though, since rushed a fix.
question is, how much right were they.
 
How about making the laptop thicker and with a better cooling system?

I am far from being technician with deep knowledge but can count 1+1.

Users wanted Macbook with 32GB or RAM. They got it.

Apple is bulding chasis for years. You are foul if you think Apple will make new chasis for one year only because Intel is quite late with energy efficient processor with low power DDR4 memory support.

Users got:
32GB memory
support for high resolution external displays
faster CPUs (i9 roster is optional)
bigger battery in same chasis to compansate hungry memory and CPU
four full speed Thunderbolt 3 ports.
T2 chip for various security functions

What would you did better?
You could do testing better and fix software before release. We will see whether Apple really fixed that.
 
From their explanation, it sounded like the a key file was missing. Perhaps signing/including keys for their firmware is a step that's a step they bypass during internal testing, or perhaps they resign before creating the final firmware distribution and there was an issue, or something. I would bet money this firmware was working properly internally.

This is to address the original snark. How did they not notice a bug? the answer lies within the definition of the word bug. If no one ever overlooked something, there would be no bugs. I'm presuming you are not saying that Apple is the only software company that has ever had a bug?
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"...throttle inappropriately" el oh el. Is this the same "bug" Apple had the nerve to blame on user's iPhones and then when caught redhanded tried saying it was a "feature"?

hahah, doesn't understand things and makes comments. so funny
 
I would have guessed a laptop would throttle due to excessive heat, not because a DRM key was missing. Worse than throttling due to old batteries.
 
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Well, I hope you don't have to reinstall the OS any time soon, because it looks like the new T2 chips that are in these new laptops cause a whole bunch of issues when reinstalling the OS (Apple Pay is disabled, Wallet App missing, etc).

you making this up, or first to report it, or both?
 
On the one hand, I am incredibly glad Apple has responded in a prompt manner to this very serious issue. I will await detailed reporting on how well the fix performs before pulling the trigger on a new MBP.

On the other hand, I am incredibly concerned that such a serious and easily detectable issue was able to slip through Apple's quality assurance process in the first place.

I really hope Apple turns this into an opportunity to reevaluate their internal processes, because something like this just shouldn't happen, and really calls into question their stewardship of the Mac platform.
 
I can just see in about 18 months we're going to be having a GPU or logicboard gate discussion with people having devices fail prematurely due to simply letting the GPU rise to maximum during turbo while not being able to cool enough internally.
 
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I would have guessed a laptop would throttle due to excessive heat, not because a DRM key was missing.
Probably excessive heat due to the DRM key missing. Someone originally mentioned incorrect temperature reporting, but I'd be much quicker to blame the fan control since I've seen it go wrong many times in old Macs or other PCs lacking proper OS support. (Disclaimer: I'm a hobbyist, not an expert)
 
Better avoid youtube for the next few days or I'll have a hundred of these new tests in my recommended list. And try starting them with something other than "hey guys, whats up?". Thanks chaps.
 
if you read the article and the previous one, you would understand. Kind of lame to not research the issue, but make a comment anyway.
The article says a digital key file was missing. Please further explain what I am misunderstanding
 
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