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See, one sensationalizing glory seeker creates a video. Not capable of understanding what the issue is, nor enlisting qualified assistance to discuss it, nor reporting it to the vendor. vendor fixes within 7 days, nonetheless. So the glory seeker's insinuations are wrong. apology? Probably not? all the stupid snarky remarks made by unqualified techs, apology? probably not?

For a professional article, please see: https://www.extremetech.com/computing/273917-cpu-throttling. Here the author appropriately calls out Dell, HP, Apple and other laptop makers for creating laptops that can't run at full sustained speeds for long periods of time (The Android syndrome). Personally, a worthy discussion, I don't believe a laptop is a workstation, I don't mind full speeds being available in sustained but limited bursts. If I need 7/24 (Xeon) or even hours long running, I'd get a workstation.
Wow, so are you thanking this "sensationalizing glory seeker" for bringing attention to this problem so Apple could fix their newly released product that didn't work as advertised?

Otherwise wouldn't make any sense at all unless its just the Apple brand that's important to maintain, and not quality products that do what they advertise to do.
 
Yea but Mac Rumour members will still find a way to blame thinness and lightness, after all Apple isn’t committed to the Mac :rolleyes:
Jesus. How about some logic for you. Which is more likely to dissipate heat. A large heatsink with fins or a small thin flat thing?
 
I'm hopeful but actually a little dubious.

This was such a disaster right out of the gate, that the returns and complaints accompanying them must have been dizzying.
So, i'm wondering if this isn't just a hack to try to stem the flood of returns.

Let's hope.

A real "disaster" that 99% of people never knew about, and all those dizzying, flooding returns from all those people who were trying to render video professionally on a laptop and couldn't wait for a few days for an answer. I think you're exaggerating. Just a little.
 
Everyone get their fix of melodrama today that will continue to help you forget that one day you will die? Good. Now how about getting back to your jobs....
 
So who's going to look stupid? (besides me)

(The rush to testing. Should be fun) :)
 
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This goes along with my point though, how is this a "bug" and not just a fact that the CPUs run hot and the cooling isn't adequate for 100% load without throttling? Unless the "bug" Apple fixed was making them run even hotter before throttling.
Throttling doesn't happen because the CPU is too hot. It happens because the throttling software believes the CPU is too hot. "Bug" means the throttling software slowed down the CPU when it wasn't actually too hot, or didn't spin up the fans enough to cool the CPU down when it should have.
 
I am on the thin and light bandwagon, I admit the moist I have pushed my a machine was handbraking a video files so I may have never hit the upper limits of performance. I just picked up my 2011 13 inch MacBook Pro and it felt like picking up a 36 inch CRT compared to the flat panel lightness of the the current MacBook Pro design. Maybe I am just getting old. lol.
 
It's possible the bug was with the temperature reporting, iow, wrong temps being reported.
That would explain machines getting throttled and temperature reporting software reporting ridiculously high temperatures.
 
All those people who sent theirs back lol
Interesting how some were slammed for quickly jumping on the issue and yet the ones doing the slamming are quick to accept that the fix actually resolves it... minutes within Apple claiming the issue is resolved.

If they were experiencing that problem, it was wise of them to send their MBPs back. It is NOT wise to assume that a company will acknowledge a problem and resolve it in a timely manner. When I buy something, if it doesn't work out-of-the-box (and isn't simply user error), especially with a premium product, it goes back ASAP. But I'm somewhat of an oddball that way. :)
 
Interesting how some were slammed for quickly jumping on the issue and yet the ones doing the slamming are quick to accept that the fix actually resolves it... minutes within Apple claiming the issue is resolved.

If they were experiencing that problem, it was wise of them to send their MBPs back. It is NOT wise to assume that a company will acknowledge a problem and resolve it in a timely manner. When I buy something, if it doesn't work out-of-the-box (and isn't simply user error), especially with a premium product, it goes back ASAP. But I'm somewhat of an oddball that way. :)

Apple and throttling? After the whole iPhone fiasco?

Of course they were going to address it in one way or another.
 
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Apple no longer produces quality products that just work, but their markup is higher than ever.
It's pretty easy to track Apple quality issues happening on a fairly steady basis, going back to at least the Titanium PowerBooks in the early 2000s. That being the case, I think it's hard to make the point that Apple ever had a run where you can't point to quality issues.
 
I'll wait and see how benchmarks and real world tests compare before and after. People were saying temps were reaching extremely high levels when the throttling kicked in, so it didn't appear to be a "bug", rather inadequate cooling design.


Dang right! Until we vote on this forum, the problem ain't gone! We dun decided it was a coolin problem, not some ol bug that they can just squash and move on. Ain't no way Apple is taking away our trolling and bashing without a fight, dang them!
 
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I would have guessed a laptop would throttle due to excessive heat, not because a DRM key was missing. Worse than throttling due to old batteries.
That's a rather paranoid interpretation of a rather ordinary word. Perhaps you might consult a Dictionary before leaping to conclusions.
 
I am on the thin and light bandwagon, I admit the moist I have pushed my a machine was handbraking a video files so I may have never hit the upper limits of performance. I just picked up my 2011 13 inch MacBook Pro and it felt like picking up a 36 inch CRT compared to the flat panel lightness of the the current MacBook Pro design. Maybe I am just getting old. lol.
Transcoding with Handbrake is a pretty heavy task which can benefit from a fast processor. I think it is a reasonable task with which to judge processing speed.
 
I would have guessed a laptop would throttle due to excessive heat, not because a DRM key was missing. Worse than throttling due to old batteries.
There's a principle with throttling, fan speed and so on: If something goes wrong, you throttle as much as possible and put the fan speed as high as possible, because that's the safe thing to do. Better than going wrong the other way and overheating that machine.

Because of that there is also the principle that you don't let anyone modify the throttling software. The same risk that someone could make the MacBook explode with the wrong software. That's why the throttling software is protected with DRM keys. And that's why you get throttling if those keys are missing.
 
Look at the temperatures of these chips in comparative Alienware or MSI gaming laptops which are 4 inches thick.

Please show me which Alienware or MSI gaming laptop is 4 inches thick?

And while you're at it, you called those laptops comparative. The 15" $3000+ alienware and MSI gaming machines have a 4k screen, not the ultra low res Apple junk. They've got more powerful CPUs, high end GPUs, industry standard 2.5" and M.2 slots, ram sockets, etc.

So in what way are the alienware or MSI gamming laptops comparative?
 
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A real "disaster" that 99% of people never knew about, and all those dizzying, flooding returns from all those people who were trying to render video professionally on a laptop and couldn't wait for a few days for an answer. I think you're exaggerating. Just a little.
So it's OK to sell a broken product as long as 99% of the users don't realize it's broken?
 
This of no surprise to me. Apple's operating systems constantly introduce bug after bug after bug. Gone are the days of providing things that "just work". Over the last 2-3 years, I've lost all faith in Apple.
 
and would not be any different than the rest of their competitors.

It's a Mac, and their competitors would always be non-Macs; they will ALWAYS be different based on that alone. Apple created the love for computers that resemble anorexic models all for the sake of saying "thinner is better". Simply having a stylish computer that runs Apple's distinctive OS well while maintaining a respectable size/weight would truly satisfy most customers. Personally, I couldn't give a rat's rear-end about having the thinnest computer as long as I have a quality Apple experience with a system that isn't a boat anchor.
 
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