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The lag in uptake is because beloved older apps require 32bit workability and IOS 11 doesn't do that. That's the reason.

In our house, we have 2 iPads and 2 iPhones, among other devices. Only my iPhone has iOS11, and I'm not upgrading the iPads anytime soon, as my kids would lose some old games that they love, but which are so old they are no longer on the app store.

It’s worth noting that the adoption rate of iOS 11 is pretty much in line with that of iOS 10 at around this time last year.

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/11/apple-ios-10-adoption-rate-figure-at-54/

But hey, let’s not allow some inconvenient facts to get in the way of communal Apple bashing.
 
Is that kind of like what iOS 7.0 was, for example?

Nope. Nothing so far was as bad as iOS 11. I am talking about general software quality here.

Honestly, and I doubt anyone would believe me but... 11.2 installed on its own for me. I didn't click accept. It woke me up at 2 AM and I thought the device was rebooting. I never clicked I accept, no pop up came up allowing me to say install later then cancel auto install. I have no idea what happened here.

Thankfully it didn't break my Bluetooth with my car like I was worried about (Which was why I'd stayed on 11.1.1).

There was no red badge icon either.

I might not have noticed at all had it not lit up my room with the Apple logo...

Edit: It obviously showed up but don't you have to press accept for it to download and install? Why wasn't there a red badge?

That’s completely normal on iOS. iOS auto updates the device after a certain span of time has passed. While you were sleeping a dialog must have popped up saying iOS 11.2 will begin installing with a timer of 10 seconds which has cancel and reboot now as options but the timer ran out and it auto updated. This is exactly what I mean by forcing updates on people who don’t want the device ruined. I bet a substantial portion of that 59% was also forced to update this way.

I was scared of this happening with my iPad, hence I downloaded the TvOS beta profile. It’s the only way to force the device not to download updates automatically.
 
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Nope. Nothing so far was as bad as iOS 11. I am talking about general software quality here.
That could very well be your opinion and that of some others, but there are also others who experienced worse issues than you and some others had in iOS 7 or 8 or some other ones that very well have a different opinion which is just as meaningful.
 
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That’s completely normal on iOS. iOS auto updates the device after a certain span of time has passed. While you were sleeping a dialog must have popped up saying iOS 11.2 will begin installing with a timer of 10 seconds which has cancel and reboot now as options but the timer ran out and it auto updated.

I don't think this is true. The device may automatically download an update and constantly nag the owner to update, but it still requires the owner's consent. The nag message is usually worded like "install new version of iOS at 2am", at which point you need to hit "remind me later". If you enter your passcode (or maybe even Touch ID), then that's consent right there.

It's a really bad, sly way to invoke unwanted upgrades (much like that dialog cancel action leading to Windows 10 upgrades)
 
I don't think this is true. The device may automatically download an update and constantly nag the owner to update, but it still requires the owner's consent. The nag message is usually worded like "install new version of iOS at 2am", at which point you need to hit "remind me later". If you enter your passcode (or maybe even Touch ID), then that's consent right there.

It's a really bad, sly way to invoke unwanted upgrades (much like that dialog cancel action leading to Windows 10 upgrades)
There is a chance I might have accidentally done that if it popped up while I was doing something else but I remember on previous updates it had a screen that I had to press accept on. I didn't see this screen this time. So I'm not sure exactly how this happened but it kind of creeped me out.
 
I don't think this is true. The device may automatically download an update and constantly nag the owner to update, but it still requires the owner's consent. The nag message is usually worded like "install new version of iOS at 2am", at which point you need to hit "remind me later". If you enter your passcode (or maybe even Touch ID), then that's consent right there.

It's a really bad, sly way to invoke unwanted upgrades (much like that dialog cancel action leading to Windows 10 upgrades)

Here's how it goes. iOS auto downloads the update and at one point of time a message pops up where you have the option to restart or press later. If you don't do anything there is a timer on the dialog box and it will install in 10 seconds automatically without even waiting for your input. If you press restart it will begin installing immediately. If you press cancel or later (don't know the exact word), then it will ask for your passcode and your permission to install between 2 AM and 5 AM. Conclusion being that no matter what option you choose it's going to force the update on you one way or another. There is no option to never update or delete the update. Even if you go through the hoops of deleting the update in settings-storage, it will auto download the update again in a couple of days.

The only way to stop this is to download tvOS beta profile. I bet there's a lot of people in that 59% who have been tricked into updating and can't go back.
 



iOS 11 is now installed on 59 percent of iOS devices, according to new statistics Apple shared this week on its App Store support page for developers.

That's up from 52 percent on November 6, indicating iOS 11 adoption has grown just 7 percentage points over the course of the last month.

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33 percent of iPhones, iPads, and iPod touch devices continues to run iOS 10, while 8 percent of devices run a version of iOS earlier than iOS 10.

iOS 11 adoption has been slower than iOS 10 adoption. Based on Apple's official App Store numbers, for example, iOS 10 was installed on 54 percent of devices in October, a month after the operating system had been released. Comparatively, iOS 11 was only at 52 percent in November, a month and a half after launch.

Apple has already released several updates for iOS 11, but that doesn't seem to have improved installation rates, especially as many of those updates have been made available to address major bugs found in the operating system.

Over the weekend, Apple released iOS 11.2, the second major update to iOS 11. iOS 11.2 introduced Apple Pay Cash in the United States, but the update was released early to fix a date bug that was causing crashes on December 2. As a result, Apple Pay Cash was not initially available and wasn't provided to customers until yesterday.

With Apple Pay Cash now available, though, customers who have been reluctant to upgrade may install the iOS 11.2 update to access the new feature, so it's possible we'll start seeing improved installation rates in Apple's next App Store support page update.

Article Link: Apple Says iOS 11 is Now Installed on 59% of Devices
why won't the adoption rate be slow when ios 11 crippled devices with bugs and lags and slowdowns I'd go back to ios 10 if I could right away because ios 11 is already crap
 
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why won't the adoption rate be slow when ios 11 crippled devices with bugs and lags and slowdowns I'd go back to ios 10 if I could right away because ios 11 is already crap
Wish I could take my iPad Pro 10.5 back. Sick of jitter. This thing is supposedly more powerful than their low end Macs yet Apple can't write an OS that can smoothly render a simple app opening animation....
 
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Maybe if iOS 11 was more baked when they shipped it, adoption would have been higher.


Yeah, I wiped my IP6 then restored from iCloud backup for a more clean install and after going to 11.2 it is usable again, though wish I stayed on 10.3.
ios 11.2 on the iphone 6 is crap your device will become the epitome of lags and slowdowns
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Wish I could take my iPad Pro 10.5 back. Sick of jitter. This thing is supposedly more powerful than their low end Macs yet Apple can't write an OS that can smoothly render a simple app opening animation....
ever since ios 11 installed this is how I be getting notifications very infuriating i've done all the required steps it doesn't clear that notification bugs still I did clean install with itunes same thing i'm disappointed with ios 11 truth be told
 
Is that kind of like what iOS 7.0 was, for example?
Not at all. iOS 7 is so silky smooth. iOS 11 has some strange bugs that still haven't been ironed out. Rotation hat gets locked or confused. Jittery animations. Unable to delete apps properly. A dock that is really dumb and useless. On and on I could continue.
 
Not at all. iOS 7 is so silky smooth. iOS 11 has some strange bugs that still haven't been ironed out. Rotation hat gets locked or confused. Jittery animations. Unable to delete apps properly. A dock that is really dumb and useless. On and on I could continue.
Definitely interesting how recollections and/or experiences of others can differ. Certainly many others will disagree quite a bit on how iOS 7.0 was.
 
Definitely interesting how recollections and/or experiences of others can differ. Certainly many others will disagree quite a bit on how iOS 7.0 was.
It is interesting, but I can compare the two OS exactly at the same time. And while iOS7 does miss some features of iOS11, the overall execution and experience on iOS7 is so much more simple, well defined and the big one more enjoyable. iOS11 is really not up to scratch for public release. There are too many inconsistencies in the UI and UX in iOS11.
It seems Apple in the past couple of years has added a whole bunch of new features and bloat instead of really focusing on refining the system.
 
iOS 7 was extremely bugged on my iPad 4. I had already terribly regretted the update design-wise, but performance-wise it was terrible. Crashes and lag everywhere. There, I decided I'd never update iOS devices again. As a result: iPod Touch 5G on iOS 6.0. Yes. The first version. COMPLETELY stable. Works flawlessly. iPhone 6s, iOS 9.3.3, flawless; 9.7 Pro, my most used device, iOS 9.3.4, flawless. I have a 7+ on iOS 10, but it has terrible hardware issues, and it works awfully. I hope I get to exchange it before warranty runs out. And I hope it comes with iOS 10.
Barring the 7+ which bears no comparison because its hardware is broken, the rest of my devices still work flawlessly. Oh, forgot one: an iPhone 5s on iOS 8.2, flawless as well.
Edit: I bought it late, so I never updated it. It came with 8.2 out of the box.
That's a pretty strong argument for not updating. I have chances of a direct comparison between devices in different iOS versions: (a 6s on iOS 11 versus mine, an iPod Touch 5G on iOS 9.3.5 vs mine, for example; a 5s on 11 as well) in every single speed and reaction comparison, my device came out ahead.
App compatibility is lost and I have said that, but I'll just keep my flawless device, thanks. I update when I buy new devices.
 
Not at all. iOS 7 is so silky smooth. iOS 11 has some strange bugs that still haven't been ironed out. Rotation hat gets locked or confused. Jittery animations. Unable to delete apps properly. A dock that is really dumb and useless. On and on I could continue.

iOS 7 was very buggy out of the gate. I know my iPhone 5s would keep respringing itself from time to time. Apparently some issue with the A7 processor and 1 gb of ram? I think it took iOS 7.2 to stabilise this, but the trade off was that the software didn’t feel as speedy.
 
It’s worth noting that the adoption rate of iOS 11 is pretty much in line with that of iOS 10 at around this time last year.

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/11/apple-ios-10-adoption-rate-figure-at-54/

But hey, let’s not allow some inconvenient facts to get in the way of communal Apple bashing.
MACRUMORS FACT CHECK!
Present the facts and link to the primary source.

Abazigal, respectfully, no Apple bashing here, but what you state about adoption is not correct, the figure you quote is October not December. Obi Wan Kenobi might be onto something.

These are the official iOS adoption rates for iOS 9, iOS 10 and iOS 11 around this time of year. iOS adoption has been going down in recent years, and that's even after all the annoying nagging prompts iOS now pops up on screen to get users to upgrade.

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Sources:
https://developer.apple.com/support/app-store/
http://web.archive.org/web/20161222130635/https://developer.apple.com/support/app-store/
http://web.archive.org/web/20151204023942/https://developer.apple.com/support/app-store/
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The lag in uptake is because beloved older apps require 32bit workability and IOS 11 doesn't do that. That's the reason.

In our house, we have 2 iPads and 2 iPhones, among other devices. Only my iPhone has iOS11, and I'm not upgrading the iPads anytime soon, as my kids would lose some old games that they love, but which are so old they are no longer on the app store.
See above.
[doublepost=1512830361][/doublepost]Side note, iOS 11 has very noticeable bugs in the software compared with previous releases.
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iOS 7 was very buggy out of the gate. I know my iPhone 5s would keep respringing itself from time to time. Apparently some issue with the A7 processor and 1 gb of ram? I think it took iOS 7.2 to stabilise this, but the trade off was that the software didn’t feel as speedy.
One of my devices is on 7.1.2, the most current and final version in iOS 7, and it is certainly much better than iOS 11 in lots of ways in terms of simplicity and in general the cohesive presentation and experience.
 
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With the amount of problems Apple has been having with updates, I’m not surprised.
 
MACRUMORS FACT CHECK!
Present the facts and link to the primary source.

Abazigal, respectfully, no Apple bashing here, but what you state about adoption is not correct, the figure you quote is October not December. Obi Wan Kenobi might be onto something.

These are the official iOS adoption rates for iOS 9, iOS 10 and iOS 11 around this time of year. iOS adoption has been going down in recent years, and that's even after all the annoying nagging prompts iOS now pops up on screen to get users to upgrade.


Sources:
https://developer.apple.com/support/app-store/
http://web.archive.org/web/20161222130635/https://developer.apple.com/support/app-store/
http://web.archive.org/web/20151204023942/https://developer.apple.com/support/app-store/
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See above.
[doublepost=1512830361][/doublepost]Side note, iOS 11 has very noticeable bugs in the software compared with previous releases.
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One of my devices is on 7.1.2, the most current and final version in iOS 7, and it is certainly much better than iOS 11 in lots of ways in terms of simplicity and in general the cohesive presentation and experience.
Here's the connundrum; the "rate" may be going down, but the number of users maybe going up. Without knowing "how many" users the rate is meaningless.
 
Here's the connundrum; the "rate" may be going down, but the number of users maybe going up. Without knowing "how many" users the rate is meaningless.
Not at all meaningless actually. Not at all a conundrum either. The iOS adoption rate is going down. The trend is down in recent years. Whether or not there are more or less users is irrelevant. The figures are coming from the overall App Store visits.
 
Not at all meaningless actually. Not at all a conundrum either. The iOS adoption rate is going down. The trend is down in recent years. Whether or not there are more or less users is irrelevant. The figures are coming from the overall App Store visits.
That there may be more users is very relevant. We’ll have to agree (or not) that we disagree on what’s relevant.
 
Wish I had stayed on iOS10.

iOS11 is a bugs-party for me.

Glad I stayed on Sierra though.
Staying on old system wasn’t an option for me earlier.
After iOS11, it will be the rule much longer.

Apple release far too much ‘unfinished’ stuff today, in my opinion.
 
These are the official iOS adoption rates for iOS 9, iOS 10 and iOS 11 around this time of year. iOS adoption has been going down in recent years, and that's even after all the annoying nagging prompts iOS now pops up on screen to get users to upgrade.

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Sources:
https://developer.apple.com/support/app-store/
http://web.archive.org/web/20161222130635/https://developer.apple.com/support/app-store/
http://web.archive.org/web/20151204023942/https://developer.apple.com/support/app-store/

Refreshing to actually see someone cite numbers for once.

As far as I can tell from this, people are misremembering 10 as more adopted than it was (a four-percent point gap really isn't that much), but at the same time, the drop from 9 is noteworthy.

If anything, it's interesting that there's "only" a 4 pp gap between 10 and 11. After all, 11 adds a whole new reason not to upgrade: 32-bit apps.

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That there may be more users is very relevant. We’ll have to agree (or not) that we disagree on what’s relevant.

Why in particular do you think that larger absolute numbers are more important than a lower rate? Other than the possibility that Apple's update servers don't scale (which it appears they do), whether you have ten million, a hundred million or a billion devices doesn't really affect the reasons people don't upgrade.
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Nope. Nothing so far was as bad as iOS 11. I am talking about general software quality here.

As someone who's been on iOS since 2.x, I cannot agree. 11 has had its share of bad bugs, but so have others. 7, for instance.

That’s completely normal on iOS. iOS auto updates the device after a certain span of time has passed.

Nope.
 
Why in particular do you think that larger absolute numbers are more important than a lower rate? Other than the possibility that Apple's update servers don't scale (which it appears they do), whether you have ten million, a hundred million or a billion devices doesn't really affect the reasons people don't upgrade.
I’m not clear on why you believe the rate is more important than the numbers.
 
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