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"A study found that 98 percent of mobile malware targets Android devices. This is closely linked to sideloading..."

Well, it is misleading when you purposely ignore the fragmentation issue on Android, the general lack of any meaningful software support that could deliver security updates in time, the major market share slice appeal that in one way or another allows a particular malware to target a larger pool of devices, and just focus on one possible vector that is conveniently put in a way that suits to your agenda...
The fragmentation issue on Android is partly related to this issue, especially when it comes to mobile malware. On Android you can trick less informed users into downloading apps from real or official looking sites or stores and execute malicious code. On iOS the worst you can do is force the App Store to open and go to a scammy game or app, but won’t hurt the system itself in any real way.
 
Maybe it is just me, but a company saying that they are right is hardly counts evidence from a publically traded company. Did you expect them to be like "Oh ****, you are right - we f-ed up"?
Also, Gil Shwed seems to disagree with Apple, which tends to have actual credibility.
 
Apart from the evidence they cited, you mean?

Apart from the fact that trusting a company to scratch their own back is not evidence - it's expected. Companies think about their margins first and foremost. Also, Gil Shwed seems to disagree with Apple, which tends to have actual credibility.
 
Apple using this as their argument is flawed in my opinion

Android smartphones are the most common mobile malware targets and have recently had between 15 and 47 times more infections from malicious software than iPhone. A study found that 98 percent of mobile malware targets Android devices. This is closely linked to sideloading: In 2018, for example, Android devices that installed apps outside Google Play, the official Android app store, were eight times more likely to be affected by potentially harmful applications than those that did not.

because if the above was correct then the Android OS would have brought to it's knee's by now due to the amount of malware on users phones. That there has not been any persistantly reported world wide security threats of Android OS means that hardly any malware is finding it's way onto users phones in my opinion.

Malware threats get reported very quickly on facebook and twitter by phone users which then get picked up by news outlets and if what Apple is claiming to be is true then it is very strange that we do not regular hear of malware threats attacking Android users.
 
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Apple users are 50 times more likely to be mugged walking on a city street than they are walking inside an Apple store. Apple should only allow its users to walk inside their stores.
Don’t give Apple any ideas!!! 🤣
 
It is not safer, it's an outright lie. A sideloaded app such as through a developer account can't do more than an app from the App Store itself. If an app wants to access your contact details or photos or needs privileges, you still have to give it to the app.

They are just trying to confuse the public who has never dealt with any sideloaded app content. All they can offer is curation and censorship. They don't even care to look at the code which is why things like Epic's Fortnite backend switch happened, or users had to find out on their own that apps like Facebook had them listened to 100 % of the time or tracked their keyboard entries, or copied their clipboards. And they don't even ban those privacy invaders.

You can equally just say that people who stay at home the entire pandemic are more safe, or that using additional safety wheels prevents you from falling to the side on the bike.
 
because if the above was correct then the Android OS would have brought to it's knee's by now due to the amount of malware on users phones. That there has not been any persistantly reported world wide security threats of Android OS means that hardly any malware is finding it's way onto users phones in my opinion.

Malware threats get reported very quickly on facebook and twitter by phone users which then get picked up by news outlets and if what Apple is claiming to be is true then it is very strange that we do not regular hear of malware threats attacking Android users.

Are you kidding? There are regular incidents of Google having to remove bunches of Apps from the Play Store. In fact, less than 2 weeks ago they had to remove another batch of 150 Apps.

It’s so common on Google Play that people are numb to the announcements and quickly forget. Meanwhile, if a single App sneaks into The App Store its major news.
 
Are you kidding? There are regular incidents of Google having to remove bunches of Apps from the Play Store. In fact, less than 2 weeks ago they had to remove another batch of 150 Apps.

It’s so common on Google Play that people are numb to the announcements and quickly forget. Meanwhile, if a single App sneaks into The App Store its major news.
if that is true then just goes to show that Google is doing it's job which means Apples security fears are without merit then.
 
if that is true then just goes to show that Google is doing it's job which means Apples security fears are without merit then.

No, it means two things:

- Apple does a much better (not 100% perfect, but much better) job at catching bad Apps than Google.
- Press surrounding these issues is biased against Apple, making their problem seem worse when Google is substantially worse.
 
It is not safer, it's an outright lie. A sideloaded app such as through a developer account can't do more than an app from the App Store itself. If an app wants to access your contact details or photos or needs privileges, you still have to give it to the app.

They are just trying to confuse the public who has never dealt with any sideloaded app content. All they can offer is curation and censorship. They don't even care to look at the code which is why things like Epic's Fortnite backend switch happened, or users had to find out on their own that apps like Facebook had them listened to 100 % of the time or tracked their keyboard entries, or copied their clipboards. And they don't even ban those privacy invaders.

You can equally just say that people who stay at home the entire pandemic are more safe, or that using additional safety wheels prevents you from falling to the side on the bike.
Apple are trying to employ scare tactics in my opinion. The one thing that Apple is not informing people about is that who ever hosts apps for sideloading can be held liable if the app turns out to be malicious because it is the responsibility of the web host to make sure that what they are offering to it's users is safe. Sideloading is not the problem that Apple is making it out to be because there are legal safe guards website owners have to follow to prevent them from being sued if they provide an app that turns out to be malicious.
 
I jailbreak and sideload using AltStore. It really sucks that even if my device works fine for me, I anger the Apple overseers. That's one of the reasons I'm going back to Android as my primary (I use an LG V60 more frequently anyways). It is easier to modify most Androids, even without root or a ROM installed.

I get it, the security. So as the Apple loving folks put it "If you don't like it then why don't you just use an Android?", well... I am doing that.
 
No, it means two things:

- Apple does a much better (not 100% perfect, but much better) job at catching bad Apps than Google.
- Press surrounding these issues is biased against Apple, making their problem seem worse when Google is substantially worse.
The press would be biased against Apple because it is they who persistanly bang the drum about privacy, security and safety, Google does not. So when a malicious app get's through Apple's security net, it naturally makes the news.
 
The press would be biased against Apple because it is they who persistanly bang the drum about privacy, security and safety, Google does not. So when a malicious app get's through Apple's security net, it naturally makes the news.

That part is true. Google shouldn’t brag about privacy, though, considering how lousy they are at it. Privacy and data collection to drive your advertising business never go well together.
 
Apple are trying to employ scare tactics in my opinion. The one thing that Apple is not informing people about is that who ever hosts apps for sideloading can be held liable if the app turns out to be malicious because it is the responsibility of the web host to make sure that what they are offering to it's users is safe. Sideloading is not the problem that Apple is making it out to be because there are legal safe guards website owners have to follow to prevent them from being sued if they provide an app that turns out to be malicious.

Show me a single example of any third party App Store for Android ever being held liable for what they hosted.

I searched and couldn’t find anything. But since you claim it’s true I’d like to see your examples.
 
Show me a single example of any third party App Store for Android ever being held liable for what they hosted.

I searched and couldn’t find anything. But since you claim it’s true I’d like to see your examples.
I advise you to re-read my post. No where in there do i make claims of anything being 'truth'
 
That’s a good point, but the market share matters tremendously.

Mac users (of which I’m one) aren’t targeted because they make up a smith smaller segment of the desktop and notebook market.

the same cannot be said about the mobile space.

imagine a malicious programmer being able to target 1 BILLION iPhone users.

do you have a news link to the malicious programmer that was able to target 3 BILLION android users?

since they can sideload, I am sure this happens daily right? :D
 
I would prefer if all Mac apps were forced to have a presence in the Apple app store

If you want to have a good faith conversation stop quoting well chosen snippets of posts, be better, use the full context of my post.

anyone who believes Apple should FORCE all macOS apps to be in the THEIR AppStore is not someone that can be reasoned with. So let's just agree to disagree. :D
 
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do you have a news link to the malicious programmer that was able to target 3 BILLION android users?

since they can sideload, I am sure this happens daily right? :D
As a former android user of over a decade I can tell you that it happened far more than you’d expect.

Just this search term alone has at least four times between 2019 to 2021 where google was forced to pull malicious apps from its very own store.

As for third party stores, there isn’t very good data on that and it doesn’t look like a lot of work has been done on studying it.

 
anyone who believes Apple should FORCE all macOS apps to be in the THEIR AppStore is not someone that can be reasoned with. So let's just agree to disagree. :D

Agree to disagree... fine by me.

Just so we are clear though, I clearly stated I would prefer if Mac apps were forced to have a PRESENCE on the Mac App store so that I have the option to choose Apple's payment processing. At no time did I say that Mac Apps should ONLY be available on Apple's store.
 
As for third party stores, there isn’t very good data on that and it doesn’t look like a lot of work has been done on studying it.

So it appears sideloading is not causing a world catastrophe large enough to even compile data. The whole "sideloading will destroy the planet" argument is nothing more than a disinformation campaign to protect apples grip on our devices.
 
Just so we are clear though, I clearly stated I would prefer if Mac apps were forced to have a PRESENCE on the Mac App store so that I have the option to choose Apple's payment processing.

Apple should not have a right to a percentage of the income of independent devs just to appease your financial needs.
 
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