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Ah, the good old "there is that problem over there, let's not do anything about the problem we are talking about" so called argument.
Why does anyone even bother trying to push those kinds of "arguments"?
It's called satire. Humor yourself and look it up. I personally enjoy the light hearted quips.
 
Yes, I have considered that but not every platform needs to mirror others.
Not what I asked. Nice deflection.

Ex: I might like Chevrolet trucks but as a core part of their brand they don't provide "X" which I value very highly so I buy Ford which embraces "X" technology. I can certainly suggest to Chevrolet that they embrace "X" but I would never want them legislated into providing it just because someone else does.
That's your opinion anyway. I very much appreciate that the government has mandated airbags in cars, rather than leaving that decision up to the automaker.

The whole sideload/jailbreak/alt stores crowd fails to acknowledge those of us that don't want the walled garden broken down, that is why we bought into the ecosystem. Let the market decide, forced legislation is not the answer.
You don't have to sideload apps. Don't know how many times this has to be said.
 
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Well, this has been fun, and like so many things in the world today, very polarized. Neither side is going to listen to the other or change opinions so I'll admit to being caught in that old meme of an Internet Argument and step back in lieu of spending the rest of my day trying to convince those who disagree with me.

A few final thoughts...


There are all kinds of parental controls on the iPhone. Apple can very easily add one regarding sideloading apps.
It's not children. I'm responsible for provisioning adequate support for many thousands of users.

So because you hate sideloading, everyone else must agree on your position or leave? When are we starting to purge iPhone user base now?
How about a buyback program? You have an iPhone but feel stuck. Apple buys back your phone so you can go buy the one you really want. Seems fair.
 
I’m pretty sure doing so violates the Apple Dev Program TOS.
Probably, but do you even have to agree to that ToS if you have a free account? Either way, they won't actually care if you're just doing it for yourself on your own devices, at least so far.
 
You don't have to sideload apps. Don't know how many times this has to be said.
You can say it an infinite number of times. These people are about enjoying being under control; they like being told what they can do with their phones.

The funny thing is, Apple could totally open up sideloading and I likely would only use it for one thing: Emulators. Emulators are banned from the app store, and are really the only thing I want to run on my devices that aren't allowed there.

Most stuff people would sideload is niche stuff because 99% of users will not want to go through the trouble.
 
Well, this has been fun, and like so many things in the world today, very polarized.
Because polarised thinking has LOTS of advantages and disadvantages. It’s like a lightsaber.
How about a buyback program? You have an iPhone but feel stuck. Apple buys back your phone so you can go buy the one you really want. Seems fair.
Send this feedback to apple then. Maybe if another 50 million people sharing the same idea Apple will consider revamping their trade in program a bit.
 
Because the ability is there whether I want it or NOT. That is a security risk.
How is leaving the the "allow sideloading" button unticked, a security risk?

It's great that Android lets you close the door. But, I currently operate on a platform that doesn't have a door. And I choose that platform for many reasons one of which is this. No one is hacking my phone to put an app on there or mess with my filesystem and or data that I didn't explicitly allow.
Nobody is doing that on Android either without the user first allowing sideloading.

If you want this choice, you can choose Android. Why can't people get this? Do you really go buy things that doesn't do what you want it to do, and claim foul? I bought this device and it doesn't do everything I want, no fair! While there is a device and OS that lets you play freely to your own detriment. Clearly Apple's way isn't for you. Which is cool. I have plenty of Android user friends. And they use Android for many of the same reasons people such as yourself state. While other friends of mine that use Apple could care less about this side loading thing, or 3rd party app stores and just want their device to work as advertised. They don't care about about a 70-30 split, or what server provides the apps or services. They know it works, and very much like that fact. Those on the Android side may purchase it due to the lower cost of entry, and it works well enough for them. They too could care less about side loading. Some of them just like being able to tweak the interface, and back in the day it was trying to squeeze out as much battery life on the phone as possible. Apple's way was to just make the damn thing work well. I don't need a government or fellow consumer to force something upon me that I specifically went out of my way to avoid. Especially when it's not warranted, needed, or required, and you have choice to pick something else.
I'll repeat what I said earlier. Did you ever consider that there are many factors that go into the decision of which platform or phone to use that may greatly outweigh whether sideloading is allowed? That perhaps there are a great many things you like about iOS and iPhone, but that there are a few areas you'd like to see changed?
 
less than 1% of android users even sideload and I bet most apple users won't even be able to find the option in their abysmal menu systems
 
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It's not children. I'm responsible for provisioning adequate support for many thousands of users.
Then Apple can implement enterprise controls for that as well. Strict control over application installation, and myriad system settings and application settings have existed in the PC/Mac environment for many years.
 
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Any consumer that wants to be able to install any app can already buy an Android phone. What is the problem here? Why are so many people trying to force Apple to make iOS more like the Android OS which all of its users actively selected against?
 
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Not what I asked. Nice deflection.

Ok, I'll try again, no need to be so combative. As stated before, I realize there are several things that go into a purchase decision on any given item, not just phones. So there is a crowd that likes iPhones I guess from a hardware standpoint but wants the ability to purchase apps anywhere and do anything to the device, I get it but there is also a crowd that enjoys the hardware and also enjoys that the walled garden approach to software/payments/privacy etc.

That's your opinion anyway. I very much appreciate that the government has mandated airbags in cars, rather than leaving that decision up to the automaker.

Fair enough but that is also an opinion. I would have no issue with cars being offered without airbags or seat belts, lets see how fast the market takes care of such cars, I doubt many would be sold. I would also have no issue with your auto insurance company charging you more for driving that car.

You don't have to sideload apps. Don't know how many times this has to be said.

And you don't have to use iPhones, don't know how many times this has to be said.
 
There are all kinds of parental controls on the iPhone. Apple can very easily add one regarding sideloading apps.
Allowing sideload apps is like putting a garbage dump behind a building. Some people may care, some may not, some may not even notice. But one thing is certain, the garbage dump devalues the entire property.
 
Fair enough but that is also an opinion. I would have no issue with cars being offered without airbags or seat belts, lets see how fast the market takes care of such cars, I doubt many would be sold. I would also have no issue with your auto insurance company charging you more for driving that car.

sorry but this is a bald faced lie
 
Ok, I'll try again, no need to be so combative. As stated before, I realize there are several things that go into a purchase decision on any given item, not just phones. So there is a crowd that likes iPhones I guess from a hardware standpoint but wants the ability to purchase apps anywhere and do anything to the device, I get it but there is also a crowd that enjoys the hardware and also enjoys that the walled garden approach to software/payments/privacy etc.
You can retain that, even if sideloading were allowed. Nobody is forcing you to step outside the garden.

Fair enough but that is also an opinion. I would have no issue with cars being offered without airbags or seat belts, lets see how fast the market takes care of such cars, I doubt many would be sold. I would also have no issue with your auto insurance company charging you more for driving that car.
I can tell you how it would play out. You'd have cheap bastards killing themselves and their innocent family members.

And you don't have to use iPhones, don't know how many times this has to be said.
You're right I don't, but I continue to do so and advocate for changes I want to see.
 
sorry but this is a bald faced lie

LOL, ok, so what specifically is a "bald faced lie"?

1) The fact that @vipergts2207 appreciates that auto manufacturers are mandated to use airbags?
2) The fact that I personally would have no issue with autos being offered without safety mandates such as airbags because I feel the market would largely shun such vehicles?
3) The fact that I would not have a problem with auto insurance companies charging more to consumers purchasing said vehicles.

As these are all personal opinion I anxiously await where the "bald faced lie" is. I'll wait.
 
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Sure, let’s lock down macOS from next macOS update and force remove ALL apps installed by user that is NOT from App Store without notice. I am sure this will not backfire among all loyal Apple user base.
Why are you agreeing with me as if we disagreed on something? I‘m confused. Did you respond to a wrong person?
 


In response to the European Commission's proposed Digital Markets Act, which could force sideloading of apps on the iPhone in Europe, Apple has shared an in-depth document highlighting the security and privacy risks of sideloading. Sideloading refers to installing apps outside of the App Store, such as from a website or a third-party app store.

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Apple's document, titled Building a Trusted Ecosystem for Millions of Apps, states that "mobile malware and the resulting security and privacy threats are increasingly common and predominantly present on platforms that allow sideloading." For example, Apple cited Nokia's 2019 and 2020 Threat Intelligence Reports that found Android devices to have an "estimated 15 to 47 times more infections from malicious software" than iPhones.On the other hand, Apple claimed that malware on iOS is rare and said that many of the attacks on the platform are "narrowly targeted attacks, often carried out by nation-states." Apple added that "experts generally agree that iOS is safer compared to Android, in part because Apple does not support sideloading."

Apple said if it were forced to allow sideloading, users would be subjected to more malicious apps and have less control over apps after they download them onto their devices. Apple added that some proposed sideloading legislation would also mandate removing protections against third-party access to proprietary hardware elements and non-public operating system functions, resulting in security and privacy risks for users.

Apple added that even users who don't wish to sideload and prefer to download apps only from the App Store would be harmed if sideloading were required, as some users may have no choice other than sideloading an app they need for work, school, or other essential reasons. In addition, Apple said criminals may trick users into sideloading apps by mimicking the appearance of the App Store or by advertising free or exclusive features.

Apple touched on many of these arguments in a similar document shared back in June. Apple CEO Tim Cook previously claimed that sideloading apps "would destroy the security of the iPhone" and "a lot of the privacy initiatives that we've built into the App Store."

Apple's document goes on to provide examples of common malware affecting mobile platforms like Android and makes more arguments against sideloading.

Apple has faced increasing scrutiny over its App Store, which remains the only place to install apps on the iPhone and iPad, excluding devices that have been jailbroken. Fortnite creator Epic Games sued Apple last year for anticompetitive conduct, but it was unsuccessful in getting the court to force Apple to allow third-party app stores on iOS.

Article Link: Apple Says iOS is Safer Than Android Because Sideloading Apps Isn't Allowed

One simple reply…. It’s my device. Give me the option to side load freely. Cover your own butts by making us accept some type of terms, and a switch that allows us to turn it on and off. So we fake full responsibility when we do

those who surrender freedom for security will not have nor do they deserve either one.
 
I see it’s the “my hardware I should do what I want” crowd. Just because you own the hardware doesn’t mean you own any of the software. Don’t like it? Create your own ecosystem and apply whatever restrictions you want.
Actually, why own iPhone at all? Stop selling off contract iPhone and put every single US consumer into infinite lease program and tie their phone bill into iPhone lease. No one own iPhone anymore and apple can just get free money every month without producing as many iPhone, better for environment too. Win-win-win, oh and users are enjoying new devices every year or two.
On that note, sell iPad and Mac on lease as well.
 
Allowing sideload apps is like putting a garbage dump behind a building. Some people may care, some may not, some may not even notice. But one thing is certain, the garbage dump devalues the entire property.
That garbage dump suspiciously looks like a treasure chest, full of emulators, open source software, useful utilities and applications free of censorship.
 
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