I'm not interested in sideloading because even on an Android phone, the process is often NOT a process for neophyte users. Even the Fortnite installation process is not as simple as Epic Games say.
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Apple Says iOS is Safer Than Android Because Sideloading Apps Isn't Allowed
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Okay, please make an original statement because I don’t know which side you are on…
You are flip flopping in every other comment.
Make up your mind and be articulate. Don’t ask emotionally-charged ambiguous rhetorical questions. At least don’t do it until you become better at writing normally.
No. I’m not responding to a wrong person. I’m just following along whay you are talking while still disagreeing what your stand is.
But you see I might be if sideloading is allowed. Today, there is no choice, all apps come from Apple's store. As an example: Sideloading becomes available and App X, which I use and like, decides to pull their app from Apple's store and hosts their own store/payment/customer service/etc. Now I am forced to use their systems, I lose the convenience of Apple's ecosystem, which is something I bought into, or stop using their app.
Look I fully acknowledge there are 2 camps here:
1) Wants Apple hardware and OS but wants to do whatever they want with it.
2) Wants Apple's ecosystem and experience and doesn't want it broken down.
I guess my issue is that some people buy iOS devices knowing they cannot do certain things but they actively try to breakdown the system so that can do what they want instead of just buying into an eco system that already allows them to do what they want.
I'm ok with that, natural selection.
As will I.
My point was, the fact that you can use a developer account for sideloading as a defence for not needing a full sideloading implementation is insufficient.
Not if history is any indication. Whenever there's a problem with an Apple product or service, it is initially cast as the customer's fault.
My original statement? Oh ok, so obvious sarcasm doesn’t count. Got it.
I’m “flip flopping” cause that’s one way to mock those arguments I don’t agree on. It’s not my fault that my arguments can’t be picked up by one guy or two.
anyways, going down this is off topic.
Not really. I'm sure they can put up some obvious blocks, alerts etc. But, ultimately given enough time and money. Someone(s) will figure out ways to bypass the walls they put up and enable side loading without you knowing it. With full system access to be had.IF Apple is forced to allow sideloading of apps... is there some way Apple could limit those apps to make them almost useless?
Once the door is built to walk through. Nope. Since part of this requirement is that developers have full access to the underling system. That includes hardware, like Mic/Video cameras/speakers/screen/touch or face ID/etc. As these geniuses think that the only way to be fair is to have Apple allow full access to even the undocumented parts of the system.
This is not to say they can't warn you of it, but then your going to get prompted to hell and back. Or, most likely ignore it and eventually click the wrong pop up and get hacked.
Nope this would be total. Any and all that can will be able to install.
Nope, that's why there is no door but via Apple. Best to call them the DMZ, or gatekeeper. Today there is no other doorway into the system that isn't watched by Apple. Tomorrow, hopefully not. There are doors, like the matrix. With many keys but these keys only open certain doors, and all those doors lead to you losing all your data in a hack. LOL
Now, they don't have to sneak in. They walk in.
Developers will have to start issuing license keys or server side checks to ensure their apps aren't pirated. But, it will be up to the user to determine what they want to do with the wild wild west of apps. Some good, some great, some will pwn you.
YUP!
Can't. Wild Wild West.
This is just cope, this didn't happen on Android, even less reason for it to happen on iOS
2. the fact that you would have no issue without safety mandates I'm calling you a liar
Ok, your opinion.
To be clear, I am in favor of safely devices and use them, what I said was I would be ok if they were offered versus mandated, clear difference.
Dude… the fact that I still don’t know your point says something about how well you conveyed your point.
Don‘t mock. That’s impolite. It detracts civil discourse and the moderators don’t like personal attacks. Be diplomatic.
Especially, don’t mock or pose rhetorical questions in a way that’s ambiguous, i.e., people can’t tell if that’s sarcastic or not. How do you avoid this? Well, it’s difficult, read more English books, difficult books, and you will be more articulate.
Has this occurred on Android?
Again, many factors go into which platform or phone to use, many of which outweigh the ability to sideload.
I'm ok if some cheap bastard gets himself killed. I'm not ok with that same person getting his innocent children killed.
Never said you couldn't, unlike those implying we on the other side shouldn't be allowed to.
As an example: Do you really think that Epic wouldn't pull all their games from the Apple App store the second they can? I get that they aren't there now but if they were?
I was using a Mac during those years. I put my money where my mouth was. I did no defense of Microsoft. But more so because the OS sucked. And still does in my view. It's better to be fair, but not better to me than OS X.
I could understand from the bigger picture that Microsoft was a monopoly. All other options went away except Mac. Which to this day is still a minor player in the desktop market. Apple was never in any category the dominate monopoly Microsoft was. It never had 65% or higher marketshare. While in some unions this number may not matter. It still a fact that they are not a monopoly. And that consumers have a choice in what product they want to use. Apple is not forcing anyone to buy into or purchase or sign up for or do kind of business with Apple. And Apple is not forcing anyone to do business with them that doesn't want to.
Quite flawed.
It is analogous to your smart tv, car, gadget, speakers, fridge, etc only allowing to install apps ( or merely toggle them on/off ) from the manufacturer's vetted store ... which is how pretty much any vehicle, appliance, device works. You buy brand x model y with certain features, knowing what you see is what you get and that's it. You don't get to install apps or skins from different manufacturers. get to use another app store, etc
And in other news, analogy makes the point.
And malware galore, pirated apps, pirated content.
apple has 50% market share in america and it would not surprise me if people begin to think about similar moves regarding apple bundling first party software and advertising their own products in the settings and prioritizing their own apps in the app store or copying and buying out competitors or limiting technical access to third party devs or taking a 30% cut or bla bla bla bla bla
plenty of malware and scams in the appstore already
I cannot answer that as I don't use their platform but as an example I have used before: Imagine that Epic still had games on the Apple App store... the second they are allowed to they will pull their games from the Apple App store and host their own store/payment management etc. Now I have lost the convenience of a single point of contact/purchase and am forced to use theirs.
Agreed, I distilled the camps down a bit for this thread.
Agreed as well, I would hate for that to happen. It would be my hope that auto insurance policies would make it unpleasant for owners that decided to not purchase basic safety devices. Perhaps safety devices weren't the best test case to use in this discussion. Lets use Carplay (or Google's), should auto manufacturers be mandated to allow carplay because of the market presence of Apple? I would argue no, if they don't support it the market will punish them accordingly ex: Tesla. I would not argue that car entertainment systems be forced to allow side loading either but the same logic applies.
Agreed and not saying you shouldn't either, just contributing to the discussion.
So because the app store isn't 100%, let's just pile it on. Is that what you are suggesting? If the app store would be 100% safe, you would concede no sideloading necessary?