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And many iOS developers are against the capability to side load, because it makes it easier for people to pirate hacked versions of developers non-open source apps.
 
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So because the app store isn't 100%, let's just pile it on. Is that what you are suggesting? If the app store would be 100% safe, you would concede no sideloading necessary?

no sideoading is a unique and useful feature it's just hard to take any claims about side loading risks and malware seriously when it already exists in plain view in officially sanctioned channels
 
A monopoly implies you have no other market choice. You have many other choices, and you know it. What you really want is unearned forceful control over other people’s efforts without any of the responsibility to their business and it’s stakeholders.
 
The most dangerous iOS malwares like Pegasus that takes complete control of Apple devices were through iOS vulnerabilities and not side loaded. Apple’s empty promise of safety while living in a prison.
 
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I cannot answer that as I don't use their platform but as an example I have used before: Imagine that Epic still had games on the Apple App store... the second they are allowed to they will pull their games from the Apple App store and host their own store/payment management etc. Now I have lost the convenience of a single point of contact/purchase and am forced to use theirs.
I'm not talking about imagining. There should be real world examples available regarding Android if we're to take this as a real concern.

Agreed as well, I would hate for that to happen. It would be my hope that auto insurance policies would make it unpleasant for owners that decided to not purchase basic safety devices. Perhaps safety devices weren't the best test case to use in this discussion. Lets use Carplay (or Google's), should auto manufacturers be mandated to allow carplay because of the market presence of Apple? I would argue no, if they don't support it the market will punish them accordingly ex: Tesla. I would not argue that car entertainment systems be forced to allow side loading either but the same logic applies.
Does any one automaker's decision on whether to include CarPlay automatically impact 50% of US consumers? Does that automaker's decision not to include CarPlay have significant ramifications for countless other businesses?
 
Some people say you still have the choice not to use Apple. In reality it is an oligopoly of Apple and Google. There are no other options with a high number of apps available. Customers have the choice between two evils: Google, which collects a lot of private data even if you disable all data collection options and Apple that makes you a prisoner of their closed eco system and decides that seeing nipples or jokes about Jesus is bad for you. So it is important that governments show both Apple and Google some red lines in the interest of the consumer.

The EU often does a good job at that. For example Facebook collects less data of European consumer than data of US consumers. Their new terms of service were against EU privacy laws, so Facebook had to revert them. In the US only California really fights for the consumer. Luckily that is the state where most of those companies are located. So Californian privacy laws will have some impact.

It should be clear to everybody that the main reason while Apple does not allow sideloading is that it wants to get 30% from all app purchases. Why should the manufacturer of my smartphone get any money if I buy an app? That is ridiculous. The EU has to step in know. Otherwise Apple might soon extend that policy to Macs that already run on Smartphone CPUs anyway.
 
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no sideoading is a unique and useful feature it's just hard to take any claims about side loading risks and malware seriously when it already exists in plain view in officially sanctioned channels
I'm not in favor of forcing apple to open up ios to allow sideloading. But if one wants to jailbreak and want to do that, feel free.
 
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It should be clear to everybody that the main reason while Apple does not allow sideloading is that it wants to get 30% from all app purchases. Why should the manufacturer of my smartphone get any money if I buy an app? That is ridiculous. The EU has to step in know. Otherwise Apple might soon extend that policy to Macs that already run on Smartphone CPUs anyway.
The bolded: Apple is giving the hosting away, providing management services and not requiring any fees and commissions for apps selling at $0 with no IAP. So for that, Apple is assessing an industry standard rate.
 
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I'm skeptical of Apple's claims.

The Macintosh is wide open: we can side load, we can write our own kexts, we can use alternative boot loaders, and yet the Mac is pretty secure. So I'm not buying it. I am on the side of giving users choice. No one has to use an alternative App Store if they don't want to.

And regarding some apps for school not being available on the main App Store and thus possibly resulting in security risks, why couldn't the school(s) ensure a secure website for users to download the app onto the phone? Just like what happens on the Macintosh? One could argue that with Apple's current policies, certain legitimate apps are unavailable because Apple didn't want to allow them onto the App Store (e.g., Wifi Explorer).
No one has to buy an iOS device if they don't want to knowing that you will only be able to download apps from the official App Store. People have choice, they can get an Android device if they want to be able to side load apps.
 
thats the point. you have a choice. thats what everyone wants.

are all of the apps installed on your mac from the AppStore? funny how nobody wants to answer that question.
Everyone has a choice. You can CHOOSE to buy in iOS device, knowing for well that you will only be able to download apps from the App Store, or you can buy an Android device and side load all you want.
 
Everyone has a choice. You can CHOOSE to buy in iOS device, knowing for well that you will only be able to download apps from the App Store, or you can buy an Android device and side load all you want.
To every "but you can buy android" once again:
Did you ever consider that there are many factors that go into the decision of which platform or phone to use that may greatly outweigh whether sideloading is allowed? That perhaps there are a great many things you like about iOS and iPhone, but that there are a few areas you'd like to see changed?
 
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It is your phone and therefore your should have the power to decide which apps are installed on it. Imagine a TV manufacturer disallowing people to watch a TV channel that is not on their list of "safe" TV channels. Or a car manufacturer that does not allow the customer to drive anywhere he wants.

Besides that the ability to load apps from other sources is necessary to load older versions that often are better. Instagram is a good example. Since last year Instagram spams the news feed of people with posts from accounts they do not follow. That makes all versions since then pretty unusable. As I have an Android phone, I was able to delete Instagram and install an older version that still works fine and does not spam my news feed.

Another thing is the censorship of Apple. I live in Germany and here nudity is nothing special. Noone would complain about nipples. However a German newspaper who had female nipples on their front page every day for decades also had them in their app of course, but then Apple threatened to ban that app from the App Store because of the nipples. So some cojnservative Apple Taliban from Silicon Valley forces his middle age moral standards about nudity on German iPhone owners. That should not be possible. If you paid for that phone, you should be able to see as many nipples as you want.

Apple also deleted some apps that made fun of Jesus, which also is not a problem here in Europe except maybe Poland. Who wants a phone without apps that make fun of Jesus?

I would even go a step further: Apple should allow people to install Android or any other OS if they really want.

I hope the EU will also force Apple to make the battery easily replaceble again.
You are really out of touch with reality. If you want to be able to download apps with nipples, you can purchase an Android device. It is not like Apple went and changed the rules after you bought your iPhone. The same App Store rules have been in place since the first iPhone. Nothing new. And what is this nonsense about how the EU should force apple to allow Android on their devices? Apple's thing has always been making the hardware and the OS. Why should any government force a company to change that? People can buy a Chromebook or a PC, they are not forced to buy a MacBook. And do not even get me started on your utter BS about replaceable batteries.
 
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To every "but you can buy android" once again:
As I said, if you do not like how Apple runs their OS, then you can go buy an Android phone. There may be a lot of factors that go into making a decision on which device to purchase, but like anything, no one product has everything. You can have a fast sports car that has crappy fuel economy or you can buy a slower car that has better fuel economy, but you cannot have both. You need to make a choice. It is the exact same thing with iOS vs Android. You may like the iPhone better than any Android device, but then you have to deal with no side loading. It is still a choice.
 
As I said, if you do not like how Apple runs their OS, then you can go buy an Android phone. There may be a lot of factors that go into making a decision on which device to purchase, but like anything, no one product has everything. You can have a fast sports car that has crappy fuel economy or you can buy a slower car that has better fuel economy, but you cannot have both. You need to make a choice. It is the exact same thing with iOS vs Android. You may like the iPhone better than any Android device, but then you have to deal with no side loading. It is still a choice.
Or we can advocate for changes we'd like to see to the products we already enjoy.
 
Does any one automaker's decision on whether to include CarPlay automatically impact 50% of US consumers? Does that automaker's decision not to include CarPlay have significant ramifications for countless other businesses?

Ok, lets get away from hypotheticals and markets.

Do you support mandated sideloading capabilities for car entertainment systems, TVs? I like Ford trucks but I really love Toyotas infotainment system, I should be allowed to do that right? I love LG TVs but Sony has be best software, I should be able to do that right?
 
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I'm not in favor of forcing apple to open up ios to allow sideloading. But if one wants to jailbreak and want to do that, feel free.
But you can't jailbreak. Apple has locked the bootloader and has secure boot. Without an exploit you cannot jailbreak.

There is nothing about side loading that compromises the whole platform. All they need is a switch, just like and droid that says "allow install from unknown sources". Then you grant permission on a case by case basis.

Apple doesn't want side loading because they don't get a cut. How many developers would skip the AppStore and go direct? That is what Apple fears. They want their cut and side loading won't give it to them.

By the way, who owns your device? The manufacturer? The wireless company? Definitely not you unless you can do exactly what you can on Mac or PC. I can install any software I like and can boot any OS that is ported.

How many of you would tolerate a Mac or PC that would only install software from the Manufacturer and only run the OS they say?
 
Does that automaker's decision not to include CarPlay have significant ramifications for countless other businesses?

I would argue yes. Take Tesla, I don't think they allow either CarPlay or Android Auto on their platform so any other company that writes apps for those 2 dominant platforms are denied access to Tesla owners. Should the government mandate that Tesla supports the 2 dominant platforms in the industry for phone/car integration? Again I would argue no, let the market decide.
 
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Yes, I want to also support a law that forces Ford to let me put a Toyota engine in my Ford without losing my warranty. Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? exactly.
Let us know when Ford owns half the U.S. car market and there exists only two automakers. You might have a point then. Considering the myriad choices that exist today, that is indeed ridiculous. Especially considering the equivalence you're trying to use isn't the same. We're not asking for a Toyota engine in a Ford. We're asking to be allowed to get our oil from outside of the Ford dealership.
 
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I’ll say this again. Forcing Apple to be like Android is removing choice. Right now, there’s a choice between a walled garden (ios) and an open platform (Android). Opening the walled garden will net you no choice as you will only have two of the same thing. People are confused, thinking having the same thing as the other as choice. That’s conformity, not choice.
 
My point was, the fact that you can use a developer account for sideloading as a defence for not needing a full sideloading implementation is insufficient.
That's true, I was just replying to a person who said it's already possible by clarifying that it kind of is but not really officially supported and heavily limited.
 
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