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Actually, why own iPhone at all? Stop selling off contract iPhone and put every single US consumer into infinite lease program and tie their phone bill into iPhone lease. No one own iPhone anymore and apple can just get free money every month without producing as many iPhone, better for environment too. Win-win-win, oh and users are enjoying new devices every year or two.
On that note, sell iPad and Mac on lease as well.
Why own a PS5 or modern car then? Not owning the software isn’t a new thing. On some hardware we’re free to install whatever we want. On other hardware we can’t. The market decides what sells and survives.
 
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Apple’s claims really stand on low ground. I am very spectacle about their so called “to protect our customers against malware”, they alway priorities money on everything.
 
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By the way, who owns your device? The manufacturer? The wireless company? Definitely not you unless you can do exactly what you can on Mac or PC. I can install any software I like and can boot any OS that is ported.

How many of you would tolerate a Mac or PC that would only install software from the Manufacturer and only run the OS they say?
You own your device and nothing stopping you from doing anything with it that you can to your ability. (provided of course, it is not against the law)
 
I would argue yes. Take Tesla, I don't think they allow either CarPlay or Android Auto on their platform so any other company that writes apps for those 2 dominant platforms are denied access to Tesla owners. Should the government mandate that Tesla supports the 2 dominant platforms in the industry for phone/car integration? Again I would argue no, let the market decide.
Telsa has something like 3% of the U.S. car market versus 50% for Apple's iOS in the smartphone OS market. So no, not even close to similar.
 
Let us know when Ford owns half the U.S. car market and there exists only two automakers. You might have a point then. Considering the myriad choices that exist today, that is indeed ridiculous. Especially considering the equivalence you're trying to use isn't the same. We're not asking for a Toyota engine in a Ford. We're asking to be allowed to get our oil from outside of the Ford dealership.
No, your analogy is false. Installing an alternative App Store in iOS is akin to installing a 3rd party engine control software into your car. Oil is consumable, eg. Your data quota, as as long as the iPhone is not carrier locked, you are free to use whatever carrier you want for your data.
 
Yes, I want to also support a law that forces Ford to let me put a Toyota engine in my Ford without losing my warranty. Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? exactly.
There is a law that says you can modify your car as you wish and you only void that part of the warranty where you did mods.

So if you drop in a Toyota engine in your Ford and the suspension fails. Ford would have to prove that your engine modification somehow trashed the suspension.

Apple would still warranty the hardware just not provide a bailout if you install an app that crashes the phone. They can say, "wipe the device and put it back to factory before we diagnose any issues".

Simple
 
Ok, lets get away from hypotheticals and markets.

Do you support mandated sideloading capabilities for car entertainment systems, TVs? I like Ford trucks but I really love Toyotas infotainment system, I should be allowed to do that right? I love LG TVs but Sony has be best software, I should be able to do that right?
If a car's infotainment were as central to modern life as my smartphone is, then absolutely I'd support forced sideloading. However, your follow-up description is acting like we're asking to be allowed to install Android on our iPhones. Using you're analogy, we're not asking to be allowed to install a Toyota infotainment center into a Ford. We're asking to be allowed to use Waze instead of Google Maps on the infotainment system that already exists.
 
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The way to to this is how:
1. lobby government to introduce legislation to force apple to make changes?
2. buy a competing product and let apple know how dissatisfied you are?
Typically number 2. However, this particular case also happens to touch upon anti-trust and anti-competitiveness issues, so number 1 is actually a viable route in this case.
 
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Telsa has something like 3% of the U.S. car market versus 50% for Apple's iOS in the smartphone OS market. So no, not even close to similar.

Nice deflection, please answer the question, do you believe that other hardware platforms such as cars or TVs should be mandated to allow "sideloading".
 
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Well you are welcome to go #1 and #2 route and see where it goes. Thankfully in the US at least there are checks and balances for #1.

indeed we do have some semblance of anti-trust legislation here so hopefully those checks and balances work on corporations :)
 
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No, your analogy is false. Installing an alternative App Store in iOS is akin to installing a 3rd party engine control software into your car. Oil is consumable, eg. Your data quota, as as long as the iPhone is not carrier locked, you are free to use whatever carrier you want for your data.
People already install third-party engine control software. It's called ECU tuning. If you're going to try to make something sound ridiculous, you might not want to compare it to something that already exists.
 
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People already install third-party engine control software. It's called ECU tuning. If you're going to try to make something sound ridiculous, you might not want to compare it to something that already exists.

Is that a valid analogy? By tuning you are just modifying existing parameters not installing new software. If I am wrong about that I am willing to learn. Alternate software would require a different ECU.

Tuning also voids warranties correct?
 
Oh yeah perspective difference so one can feel differently. However, you are giving way too much credit to many apple users who know to “appreciate apple ecosystem and the caveats that come with it”. Many pick apple because other people uses it, because work phone is iPhone, because iOS looks nice, because having an iPhone is cool. Educated and well informed user like many in this forum is a minority, not the norm. When those less informed users encounter issues using their iPhone and couldn’t get it resolved in a timely manner, they will switch to android, without even knowing what sideloading is and how it would transform user experience. Heck, iPhone users getting bored of 15 years of staled Home Screen May just switch to android because their launchers look cooler.

People here want apple to allow proper sideloading mostly know what they are doing or having ample interest to do so. Apple instead put zero trust on end user (CSAM is just another of such example) from iPhone debut till today, insisting “we know the best and every single user is an idiot who knows absolutely nothing. We are their salvation and saviour”. So here we are. No wonder I still can see dumb iPhone users near me, online and such.
You know that CSAM scanning is mandated by the American government for all cloud-based photo services, right? And that your photos only get scanned when you turn on iCloud photos, right? If this bothers you then you can use Google freedom photos, right? Because they scan for CSAM too.
 
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