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Apple Says It Doesn't Approve of EU Porn App
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Seriously? You had "no idea" that the iOS system had a walled ecosystem?
Has anyone in Cupertino seen Craig and Eddie lately? They were last seen on Saturday afternoon entering Room 497 where apps are reviewed.
It also feels to me like Riley Testut has been learning all the wrong lessons from Tim Sweeney.
If his goal was to bait Apple into making a press statement that basically means free publicity for his App Store (and said porn app in question), then congrats, he got his wish.
But seriously, how is the heading anything but deliberately misleading? It’s clear that no consumer in their right mind is going to think of “approve” as in “allowed to be in a third party App Store” as compared to “endorsed by Apple”.
I dunno. Maybe this is the sort of lowbrow humour which appeals to his supporter base. I don’t know if it’s saying something that self-styled opposition to Apple typically end up engaging in questionable behaviour themselves.
If his goal was to bait Apple into making a press statement that basically means free publicity for his App Store (and said porn app in question), then congrats, he got his wish.
But seriously, how is the heading anything but deliberately misleading? It’s clear that no consumer in their right mind is going to think of “approve” as in “allowed to be in a third party App Store” as compared to “endorsed by Apple”.
I dunno. Maybe this is the sort of lowbrow humour which appeals to his supporter base. I don’t know if it’s saying something that self-styled opposition to Apple typically end up engaging in questionable behaviour themselves.
As consumers, we do not want monopolies to exploit or damage us. However, governments should only interfere when that actually occurs. Take AT&T for example. That monopoly prevented the evolution of long distance calling and prevented competitors from entering into that space. The price didn't change. The technology didn't evolve.
The situation is completely different for Apple. Apple has not prevented other companies from operating and entering into this phone space. The duopoly occurred because the marketplace decided that Android and iOS were the two best systems, and Microsoft, Nokia, and Blackberry made poor business decisions. There is constant (albeit incremental these days) changes both with hardware and software. There is also a very legitimate argument for a walled ecosystem, and people actually buy Apple products for that ecosystem, myself included. As such, the government (ie EU) should monitor but not interfere in this market.
True. I had no idea about this AltStore. Now I know.
You probably do if you want to partake in 3D virtual sex with Vision Pro. That’s what the future promised in 1980s movies 😊
So you'd prefer it to be the Wild West out there? I would prefer people to go and use Android if they want that.
And what they meant was "we checked it for malware, not for the type of content it delivers." If teh EU doesn't like teh content, don't blame Apple since they asked for the ability to release such content.
Nah, it's just the typical gaslighting we get when sthey take something out of context for their own ends.
I suspect, outside of boards like this and a few uptight regulators no one cares whether Apple 'approved' it or even that it exists.
It's not like porn wasn't easily available on the iPhone, or that it won't continue to be after we are all dust...
Yes but you can bet that there will be at least one story coming out about how Apple is responsible for this app being installed on an child's iPhone in Europe and being fined for it
Over dramatic much? How about saving that for when that happens. In the mean time, apple and Tim needs to grow some thicker skin.
It is a legal requirement that all conditions for the EULA be presented to the user before purchase, not afterwards.Seriously? You had "no idea" that the iOS system had a walled ecosystem?
Any terms in the EULA that were not visible before purchase are not enforceable under German law.
That is one of the reasons why Hackintosh in Germany was easier, when Apple still sold shrink-wrapped versions of their OS. The EULA was inside a sealed package, which the customer couldn't open before purchase, so the condition that it can only be installed on Apple branded hardware was not enforceable under law.
This is formally known as a "Red Herring Fallacy". Informally known as bs argument.
That's cool, you can read the story and then ignore it. People can say what they want, it doesn't mean to you need to listen or care.
MacOS isn't "the wild west", and people use it all day every day. I've yet to see any reason that allowing people to do as they wish will harm anything except Apple's profits. It's just FUD.
Personal freedom is more important than corporate freedom, every single time. There has are no exceptions.
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I'm not sure why you consider it a red herring; in the context of my argument was people claim Apple "approved" a porn app when the checked it for malware and complied with EU law about lawing alternate sites to distribute apps, implying Apple approved the content, while not claiming Apple approved porn since Safari allows access to those sites. It seems to me a misreprenstnation of Apple's actions for some reason.
IMHO, it's only because it is porn that it became a story, partly fueled by Apple's stance.
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What a completely distorted misinterpretation of what you're reading.
Children's devices should be supervised, and Apple provides easy tools for that. You can set age ratings in the App Store and even restrict third-party app store installations. It’s a parent’s responsibility to filter what their child accesses—not Apple’s job to do it for them.
If Chick-fil-A decides to close on Sundays, that’s entirely their choice. Their workdays and schedules are at their discretion. How does that alienate any demographic? That comparison makes no sense—it’s like comparing apples to lug nuts.
Apple blocking porn from the App Store is as pointless (and from a U.S. perspective, as unconstitutional) as restricting it while allowing full access through browsers. Apple’s stance only limits an individual’s ability to consume content by choice. This is censorship by definition, though one could argue it’s irrelevant since browsers and alternative app stores still provide access.
Ultimately, it’s a meaningless restriction, but Apple is free to enforce it if it aligns with their brand image and marketing strategy.
However, they are legally correct in challenging an alternative app store falsely claiming that its approval means Apple has endorsed it.
PS:I live in the EU, and your portrayal of it as totalitarian from a U.S. perspective is laughable. The only area where the U.S. truly "excels" compared to the EU is in its ultra-capitalist system, where policies are designed to let the ultra-rich do whatever they want: Individual choices, healthcare, and choices are dictated by corporations lobbying the government to remove any friction in their business operations. And when you see a regulatory body having the power and willingness to protect individuals choices (Alternate app stores), rights (Porn or any content) and health (Oh boy the contents of food is regulated well here) - you immediately label this a bureaucracy and totalitarian.
Indeed, you can't explain the view from the top to someone who has never left the ground.
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kinda sad to see riley and gang promoting pornography. i always agreed with steve that if people want that they can use a web browser. it doesnt belong in the app store. or any app store.
pornography is the lowest form of expression and is only legally prostitution in the usa because the supreme court did a logical backflip. i just film it and it isn't sex for money? it isn't art. art intends to provide deeper meaning to the human condition. porn just makes you sexually excited and provides no deep expression. i know europe has somewhat less restrictions than usa, but that doesnt excuse it.
virginia and other usa provinces have begun to follow uk plan to gatekeep porn sites by requiring id verification to protect minors and children from accessing obscene and vulgar content. you could technically circumvent this with an app. the app could have a static proxy or a dynamic proxy such as a vpn like aloha browser.
pornography is the lowest form of expression and is only legally prostitution in the usa because the supreme court did a logical backflip. i just film it and it isn't sex for money? it isn't art. art intends to provide deeper meaning to the human condition. porn just makes you sexually excited and provides no deep expression. i know europe has somewhat less restrictions than usa, but that doesnt excuse it.
virginia and other usa provinces have begun to follow uk plan to gatekeep porn sites by requiring id verification to protect minors and children from accessing obscene and vulgar content. you could technically circumvent this with an app. the app could have a static proxy or a dynamic proxy such as a vpn like aloha browser.
They are in favor of folks deciding for themselves what to do with their devices and how to live their lives
I'm a promoter of that sort of freedom as well
Apple doesn’t force ANY developer to make an app for iOS, that’s the developers choice. Ergo no, they are not forced to seek Apples approval, which is why the EU’s entire position is stupid to begin with.
"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should." - Dr. Ian Malcolm
there is no dearth of porn on a smartphone. open browser type porn. this isnt accomplishing anything. they just put a porn app in an app store. it didnt suddenly open up access that wasnt there.
It's hardly unconstitutional since Apple is not the US Government.
Whatever happened to personal responsibility? People choose a device and then decide they want the manufacturer to cater to their desires? They can do whatever they want, just don't expect Apple to do it for them. A si pointed out on MR, you can already side load on any iPhone, for example.
I realize the "No one is forced to buy an iPhone" is an unpopular stance but it is a true statement.