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They are absolutely right though. Apple has developed a safe and closed environment, but then came the EU and it took the safety enitrely away. Which honestly is strange since the DSA would limit an App Store making Porn Apps available to children.
Apple should have focused their efforts on developing a robust and secure environment that doesn't rely on being closed to be safe. As we've already seen in the past, just because an iOS app made it through Apple's inspection process, doesn't mean it's safe or beneficial for you to use. There's no guarantee apps that pass Apple's inspection process won't still maliciously harvest your data and sell it.

As a parent, you can VERY easily limit what apps your kids' iphones are allowed to install and run. Being pretty familiar with how the 'screen time' app store limitations work, I honestly think there's a ton of room for improvement.
 
Not if you actually take the time to set up child protection on the device. Protection that Apple can enforce in Safari or their App Store. But not in third party app stores or browsers. And this is exactly the point here!!!
But Apple can't enforce protections in Safari. That's entirely up to the parents. But if it's fine in Safari because parents can set up protections on the device, then are we just going to ignore that those same protections can just as much block the usage of apps. It's not like parental controls aren't a thing just because you use a different app store.

What your child watches on any device is a concern of the parent and something they can restrict regardless of the source, be it the Apple App Store, the web, or any third party app store. There is no reason for Apple or any company to limit what every user of its products can do with their device because "think of the children".

This is yet another example of a fake concern that isn't a concern on any other platform. It isn't on Android, it isn't on Windows. It isn't even on macOS. It won't be on iOS either. The only thing Apple is concerned about here is its profits, not its users, not children. Just profits, nothing more, nothing less. And there's nothing wrong with that, they are a business, but lets stop pretending it is anything more.

And if Apple's security and parental tools really are so fragile that third party app stores break down the entire system, then maybe it really is just time for Apple to stop blaming everyone else and start fixing the major holes they seem to think they have in these tools that everyone else dealt with decades ago.

And if your child wants to find porn, don't kid yourself, they *will* find porn.
 
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Not if you actually take the time to set up child protection on the device. Protection that Apple can enforce in Safari or their App Store. But not in third party app stores or browsers. And this is exactly the point here!!!

Parents can prevent third-party app stores from being added/installed, and they can require approval for any and all apps to be installed.
 
They are absolutely right though. Apple has developed a safe and closed environment...
"safe" environment 😂






 
No.

A child has a free will.
Developers (wanting to distribute their apps) do not.

A child isn’t bound by the same shackles as developers of iOS apps are.
Apple can withdraw their signing certificate - or, figuratively speaking, ability to “go somewhere” - at any time. Remotely.
Ahhh, so we're picking and choosing which nuances and conditions are relevant.
 
…thereby approving them for running on consumers’ devices distribution.

They don’t have to.
Again: Apple chose to require their (Apple’s) approval - their checks and signing the app.
When they could’ve easily chosen a hands-off approach and not interfere at all instead.
Oh come on. Are you seriously suggesting that Apple not scan apps for malware?

If Apple actually did that half of MacRumors would be screaming "malicious compliance! Apple is trying to make third party app stores cesspools that no one will use".
 
As a European citizen, this Porn app or the whole AltStore debacle makes me so sad. They sold us freedom of choice, but all we got is a crappy new store with a porn app and a game emulator. Is this the best developers can do when the walled garden is torn down? Don’t make me laugh.

Please, EU, give me a real choice. The choice to keep everything the way it was! Nobody is using it. Give it two years, and it will be completely dead.
This is all you've gotten because Apple has purposefully set up such a backwards system that a) actual competition is nearly impossible because it is instantly priced out of the marked and Apple still requires developers to get approval from them even if they don't want to go through Apple, and b) is a system that has led to them being investigated yet again for violating the DMA rules with complaints from multiple major companies.

Apple has set up a system they know goes against the rules just to delay the inevitable as long as they can and loosen their own rules as much as they're willing to do without cutting to much in their own bottom line to discourage these third party stores from taking off.
 
They are absolutely right though. Apple has developed a safe and closed environment, but then came the EU and it took the safety enitrely away. Which honestly is strange since the DSA would limit an App Store making Porn Apps available to children.

The Chinese government has a safe and closed environment for their own citizens, along the same lines. Is that what you really want?

Apple should wise up to the fact that many many adults watch porn. It should be an individual choice.
 
As a European citizen, this Porn app or the whole AltStore debacle makes me so sad. They sold us freedom of choice, but all we got is a crappy new store with a porn app and a game emulator. Is this the best developers can do when the walled garden is torn down? Don’t make me laugh.

Please, EU, give me a real choice. The choice to keep everything the way it was!
No one is forcing you to download and use this porn app or any other app on the Alt Store. That is a choice you have.

You wanting to go back to how it was before means taking away the freedom of choice other people are enjoying now with the Alt Store.
 
Apple: we certainly don't approve of this app,..but more than happy to promote it world wide for those that want to side load. 👍👏..well done Apple! 🙄🤦‍♂️
 
come on. Are you seriously suggesting that Apple not scan apps for malware?
Of course.
What other OS developer scans all apps?
And it’s not as if Apple’s notarisation service is free to developers.

They could’ve easily chose to only scan apps distributed on their (Apple’s) own App Store.
It would have nicely differentiated their service and store from others (as being particularly safe) as well.

It might have just put another dent into their monopoly commission (for apps and in-app purchases).
But that’s what they (and their actions) are all about: maintaining a monopoly as much as they can.
 
I am in favour of pornography and free speech. However, I actually support Apple’s stance on this issue. Are we suggesting that businesses do not have the right to develop a hardware and software ecosystem based on specific moral codes, which includes a perfectly reasonable ban on apps that facilitate pornography? This is reasonable because many countries have laws against pornography and have much to say about age-restricted products, services, and information. No reasonable observer would oppose such legislation. It is also reasonable as Apple does not then need to expose its staff to pornography or get into the weeds of what constitutes acceptable or unacceptable forms of hardcore content, especially as legislation is variable and even opaque worldwide. Better then to restrict hardcore content entirely. Apple does not in any case block pornography on the iPhone, as it can be accessed through web browsers. I'm sure millions of Apple devices collectively download terabytes of such material every second worldwide. The issue arises with the scale of the platforms being considered. Entities like the EU are not primarily concerned with Apple’s moral stance or its restrictions on pornographic materials. Instead, they focus on restrictions on apps, marketplaces, and payment methods (e.g. the commercialisation of large platforms) and even then not because of the principle of any such restrictions in themselves but because Apple is deemed a "gatekeeper" with an outsize say in such restrictions. Large platforms but without gatekeeper status are accorded more freedom in respect of setting their own restrictions and their own singular ethos, merely due to size not nature or principle. By liberalising access to gatekeeper platforms such as Apple's, more gateways for pornography and other content outside Apple’s family-friendly policies are introduced, as we see in this article with the launch of Hot Tub. This results in the EU, heavily lobbied by billion-dollar rivals to Apple, enforcing the liberalisation of the Apple ecosystem while effectively limiting Apple’s freedom to establish the ethos for its platform, at least across much of Europe, and it is curious that the EU is, without intending to, also permitting (pornographic) content and services that run counter to a corporation's ethos because the commercial rights of Apple's rivals outweigh considerations of principle or morality, greatly reducing Apple's claims about the family. Some might argue this is decadent on the part of the EU and further proof that nothing is sacred.
 
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They are absolutely right though. Apple has developed a safe and closed environment, but then came the EU and it took the safety enitrely away. Which honestly is strange since the DSA would limit an App Store making Porn Apps available to children.
As someone who lives in the EU I prefer the freedom knowing I could download apps that Apple blocks for whatever reasons. I didn't use any alternative app stores so far but the EU is very much pro consumers and always has been. Without the EU we would still be having (besides the obvious like tariffs, visa fees, border controls) roaming fees, no passenger rights when flying or traveling by trains, no two year warranty for all things you buy, no free healthcare in all EU countries, credit card fees when paying in other EU countries, no strong privacy rules, not the highest safety standards for food, toys and drugs, dangerous chemicals in food and cosmetics like in the US or China... The list goes on forever. So yeah thank you EU. :)
 
I'm kind of glad my folks live in the USA and I don't need to worry about them sideloading some random app just cause a friend shared it or some other ****. Sure I get it that people want "free choice" but free choice is only useful for the informed; for a lot of other folks it's a liability.
 
Doesn't the App Store/Apple Account know if a person is 18+? Therefore I don't understand Apple's thinking here. Kids can't install it if they're not old enough (and they can use the web anyway, for now at least).

I just get the impression they're prudes, basically.
 
It's funny how as a society we have no issue with showing simulated acts of human beings getting brutally slaughter on film and it gets shown to kids under 18 all the time but showing people mating makes us freak out.

I'm not saying the app should or shouldn't be allowed just funny how freaked out we are on it compared to other things like how we normalize killing people.
 
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