Apple Says It Has No Plans for Solely ARM-Based or Touchscreen Macs
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That's the weirdest interpretation of the Mac Pro delay I've seen. Mostly likely it was a combination of several things: 1) Waiting for CPU & GPU updates that fit inside the power envelope of the machine, 2) Hoping that people would simply all decide to use iMacs and settle for mobility GPUs, and 3) Neglect. The Mac Pro is absolutely NOT where ARM will be making its debut. Should you find yourself buying an ARM based Mac, it'll be at the low end of the compute-spectrum: the MacBook.
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Maybe. But if I have a long document on my iPad and a long document on my Mac, and I do a search on both of them, the Mac's response is instantaneous. The iPad's most definitely isn't.
for me mostly, its more about performance per dollar. ARM chips are efficient, yes, but are they the most powerful? If Apple comes out with a $2000 machine with an ARM processor which has 1/4th the compute power of an intel chip, but only costs Apple 1/4th as much as an Intel CPU but the MSRP remains the same? People will revolt, no matter how efficient it is.
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statements like this always make me ask the question, what begat what? did people start not needing to have access to a filesystem? or did years of making the filesystem difficult or unavailable simply make them accustomed to not having access to it, and forget about it?
Kabeyun
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Apple laptop trackpads support gestures, enabling you to do just that without having to reach forward off the keyboard surface and get grubby fingerprints all over that beautiful screen.
which iPad are you using? I am using 9.7" iPad Pro, the performance is outperform than my company window Dekstop by a lot (3 times i guess).
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Exactly, so I don't see a point to have hand move away from the keyboard area. Everything can be done comfortably on trackpad. Probably this is reason why they make the trackpad on MacbookPro that huge.
I may have to check that out - if I could dual boot OS X on the Spectre it would be perfect. As much as I love Linux on the server side (I'm a Linux admin by day) I'm not sold on it on the desktop and I'll never ever buy anything Dell.
I don't hate Apple - they just have nothing appealing to me now especially given their insane price points.
I am wondering the amount of creative designer using Apple Pencil to produce their artwork. I think designer will prefer paper and real pencil. I don't think Apple Pencil receive as good adoption as Magic Mouse/Keyboard etc.
MacsRuleOthersDrool
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Yep.
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You very much underestimate Apple.
sshambles
macrumors 6502a
They're all correct. Touchscreen iMacs nobody wants.
That said, I feel like there will be a major shift of power for that company who does go solely into something massive, that is a touchscreen futuristic screen thing, 'Minority Report' style, and designs that tech for the future. It'll just be a complete overhaul, not Windows or MacOS with touch. Something completely different. One day. Maybe.
That said, I feel like there will be a major shift of power for that company who does go solely into something massive, that is a touchscreen futuristic screen thing, 'Minority Report' style, and designs that tech for the future. It'll just be a complete overhaul, not Windows or MacOS with touch. Something completely different. One day. Maybe.
BeefCake 15
macrumors 68020
ARM on a Mac will be simpler with the implementation of APFS too
spinedoc77
macrumors G4
Wow I feel bad for you guys, yeah I know you don't want my pity. I'd never go back to a primitive non touch device even if you paid me. Schiller's solution if you want touch is to downgrade the OS to iOS. But hey I own Apple stock so I like the fact that you have to buy 2 Apple devices. This is just my own opinion though, I know many of you use your devices differently. I'd personally just rather have the choice even if I only used it occasionally.
MacsRuleOthersDrool
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but since you don't seem to own a 2016 MBP, you really don't know how useful the TouchBar actually IS.
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Considering it was a Calligraphy class he took that inspired him to have Fonts on the Mac, with actual kerning and ligatures, I think you are correct!
PinkyMacGodess
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I was amazed at how fast that system was. Really... It was fast, but when the going got tough, the Atom kinda curled up in a ball and sobbed.
BUT for basic stuff, surfing, light document editing, it was really surprisingly capable. But for the average one step over a document jockey, it's going to blow. Anything higher, it'll blow chunks...
MacsRuleOthersDrool
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i'm sure he has done concept drawings; but Apple doesn't wasn't to cannibalize either product's market segments, and such a product would essentially have to BE an iPad and Mac, sharing a display and other peripherals, and running both iOS and macOS.
Pilgrim1099
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Wrong. If you were paying attention not just to the Chinese market but globally, tablet sales have slowed down which means people are growing bored with it. The thrill of tablets of died down and so has the iPad, no matter how HARD Apple tries to hype it up.
The hype is DEAD. The need for laptops or desktops far outweigh tablets. Do you know what I see people do in cafes locally in this college town? Laptops for the majority. The minority use iPads...wait for it....to READ, check emails or browse. There are some who use iPads to write, mainly for student work. I should know because I see college students at the cafe all the time. In fact, you'd be surprised that there are some Windows and Chrome laptops being used a lot lately in the academic world.
So trust me, desktop OSes are not in the minority. You need a proper file system. Anyone who thinks iOS is going to be the one and only OS to do heavy duty lifting is a fool.
PinkyMacGodess
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And a thicker connection cable that takes up a USB-C port, which means No iMac support...
Pilgrim1099
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Got bad news for you from the godfather of turntables, Grandmaster Flash says Touchbars are for fools and poseurs:
https://www.cnet.com/news/grandmaster-flash-apple-macbook-touch-bar-djs-twitch-sxsw/
PinkyMacGodess
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Hmm...
Pilgrim1099
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I'm a creative professional and I use both a Wacom tablet and iPad Pro with styluses. They're both equally good. Second, as far as paper/pen goes, that's usually for brainstorming purposes or figuring out visual problems when it comes to design thinking. You would be surprised that many digital artists use the Pencil for their design or illustration work. Also, when it comes to logo or page layout work, styluses are handy to work out the visuals and then it's built out on a vector or page layout program.
Today, most of what you see is all digitally done. Look at comics. Many of them ink them digitally and colored on Photoshop ( or similar ).
I guess a re-visit to the round table could be a good thing, but perhaps that's "why" the table is round ? People keep bringing it up ? just a thought...
If Apple says No the first why, why would u keep coming back and Apple will finally give in by the 100th time ?
Stranger things have eventually come out of the wood work, but if Apple was serious about Mac Touchscreens don't you think there would of been a few 'hints' already? We always hear about things a year or so ahead,, evidence in log file pointing to rumors of something exiting, a patent here and there...
So i don't get why users refuse to take this..? Maybe Apple will spring us all by surprise..... but i don't see it happening.
If Apple says No the first why, why would u keep coming back and Apple will finally give in by the 100th time ?
Stranger things have eventually come out of the wood work, but if Apple was serious about Mac Touchscreens don't you think there would of been a few 'hints' already? We always hear about things a year or so ahead,, evidence in log file pointing to rumors of something exiting, a patent here and there...
So i don't get why users refuse to take this..? Maybe Apple will spring us all by surprise..... but i don't see it happening.
A much valued opinion on technology.
Pilgrim1099
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And get the "Awesome" Windows 10 with it!
Wotta Deal!
Windows 10 may not be perfect of a solution, but Microsoft had the guts to make the Surface Studio happen. Apple wussed out, no matter how much they make 'gorilla arm' excuses. Schiller is flat out wrong on that aspect. Sure, there's iPad but a true touchscreen workhorse in desktop form is what's needed. It's not like you have to have touch, but it is a nice addition to have including the mouse and keyboard input. That's where Microsoft got right by utilizing all forms of input to allow flexibility.
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They're not going to have a choice but to do it. They know it. The reason, I greatly suspect, is that they came up with this line of thinking is to cover up the fact that they're AFRAID to make touchscreen Macs that would put them in a hypocritical light in an act of indirect admission. They know if they do it, they're admitting that they're in the wrong and Microsoft had the right idea.
Why can't Apple grow the hell up and applaud Microsoft for the Surface Studio just like how Sony and Microsoft congratulated Nintendo for the Switch release? The video game industry may be competitive but the rivalry is friendly and professional. It shows that they have reverent respect for Nintendo's presence and understood Nintendo's history in that aspect.
Apple is like a popular girl in high school with her nose turned up trying to hold on to her clique in control.
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That kind of exists now. What we see these days on touch screens with multi-touch is the start of that. However, it's the use of Virtual Reality goggles and specialized gloves (which recognize finger and wrist movements ) that's going to be part of that direction. VR/AR combined with gloves will be what you saw in "Minority Report". Especially with ideas that are light years ahead seen on "Ghost in the Shell" ( anime and manga version ), the android was using a VR/trans-humanist dive into the operating system to navigate.
If you look at the classic anime series ".hack", that shows how the main character would lie down on his bed in his room, put on the VR goggles and take a 'dive' into the gaming world. The virtual dive is going to come around the corner, to which if I'm not mistaken, that concept was started by William Gibson's Neuromancer novel in the early 1980s. Yes, THE 1980s
.It's already here but needs to be developed further into an actual computer. I'll bet you that one day there will be a full desktop class computer embedded into a VR/AR unit that's lightweight to interact with ( not to be used when driving, mind you ).
They already have gloves out there to detect hand movement to interact with the virtual environment. I'd give it another 10 years, maybe less, when they're perfected.
Oh, and one more thing. Microsoft has HoloLens so that's part of this vision you're talking about
. Look it up.
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Kabeyun
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Yep, what I'm sayin'. And ergonomically, raising your arm to touch-control a vertical-ish screen is terrible. This is just an area where Apple should continue not to follow.
Greymacuser
macrumors 6502
"No plans for touchscreen macs."
Yeah. Because "think different" is so out of style.
Yeah. Because "think different" is so out of style.