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Apple Says 'Jelly Scrolling' on iPad Mini 6 is Normal Behavior for LCD Screens
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Yes - not even close to the same scenario.
Simply put, I can not detect the Jelly in landscape on my iPad Mini 5 -- and I'm trying like hell.
It really matters that it now happens in portrait on the Mini 6, as the short physical distance from side to side makes the jelly very very pronounced.
I find it less noticeable in landscape, but it's hard to say if it does it less or if it's just that the effect is mitigated over the landscape width.
It's the latter I think
For me it's mitigated to the point that I can't even notice it in landscape on the Mini5.
I'm sure it's there - but like people who can't notice it on the Mini 5, I'm just happy I can't detect it on my Mini 5.
I went yesterday and I'm afraid I noticed it while scrolling.
Same response as the 2018 iPad Pro having a bend in the chassis or butterfly keyboard where it’s normal for dirt to cause key to double register, be non responsive or need the entire keyboard replaced. Just invest in some compressed air, don’t permit dust particle to get into the gaps, etc basically use the butterfly keyboard in a clean room because yeah it’s a portable laptop. 😝
See, that is the problem.
Sequential scrolling means that either it does this in portrait or landscape. The other direction will show motion blurring rather than tearing.
And apple must decide which direction to design it in, and since it’s a tablet, they chose portrait mode to be worse. But because the mini is small, many people hold it in portrait, like a big phone.
Larger iPads are almost always used in landscape. Phones are almost always used in portrait for reading and so it’s going to be less pronounced.
Apple can’t win because using global refresh would cause major flickering instead.
But there is a possible software fix. Apple would have to use AI and predictive rendering to distort the image as you scroll so it looks straights, and this would vary based on the speed of scrolling.
The thing is - Apple had already "decided", for multiple generations now, correctly I would argue, to optimize for portrait on the iPad Mini lineup.
Even when there is jelly scroll in landscape, it's way way harder to detect.
It’s an upgrade because they added extra jelly this year. Duh!
I don’t even really see see saw effect in landscape on mini 5. Just looks like standard 60hz lag / ghosting
boy I’d be pissed if my laptop did this while scrolling. Would think it’s messed up graphics drivers
I would even go so far as to say it looks the same in landscape or portrait to dispel the notion that one orientation is less performant
if it is it’s beyond what my eyes can see
Apple says the iPad Mini’s jelly scrolling isn’t a problem that needs to be fixed
It’s just how the iPad Mini is built.
www.theverge.com
Verge says “ we don’t think it’s a deal-breakergiven how good the screen is otherwise and the inclusion of USB-C”
Then they say:
“ It also feels unusual that Apple isn’t concerned about it while managing to avoid jelly scrolling on both higher-end iPad models and even my previous-generation iPad Mini (which retailed for significantly less than the new model).”
unusual, indeed.
Apple says the iPad Mini’s jelly scrolling isn’t a problem that needs to be fixed
It’s just how the iPad Mini is built.
Verge says “ we don’t think it’s a deal-breakergiven how good the screen is otherwise and the inclusion of USB-C”
Then they say:
“ It also feels unusual that Apple isn’t concerned about it while managing to avoid jelly scrolling on both higher-end iPad models and even my previous-generation iPad Mini (which retailed for significantly less than the new model).”
unusual, indeed.
The verge reviews are consistently confusing… Especially their scoring system… Especially on Apple devices
Dieter is now on thin jelly with the fruit company for letting a tweet of truth seep through.
Almost EVERY screen has had this, even since CRT days. Looking for trivial problems just to have a whinge. Go away.
Yeah, normally The Verge would jump at a chance to criticize an Apple product but I get the impression that Dieter really, really likes iPad minis.
Nope. That’s simply not true if they did this device wouldn’t be getting singled out. And I’m staying.
Ugh I do see the effect on my mini 6 now. Took me awhile to see it. It is definitely worse than my mini 5. I can’t even really say I can recreate it on mini 5.
I do primarily use the mini in portrait, I don’t know that I’m going to return it over this. I showed my wife who also got the mini 6 and she laughed at me when I told her this.
personally this is cringey for me and apple should care. I don’t think I’m going to return it so I am letting them win, which is a bummer.
I do primarily use the mini in portrait, I don’t know that I’m going to return it over this. I showed my wife who also got the mini 6 and she laughed at me when I told her this.
personally this is cringey for me and apple should care. I don’t think I’m going to return it so I am letting them win, which is a bummer.
Skewing is because of how the display is updated from one side to another.
Motion blurring is because of how long each frame is shown
Well, it's more like flickering/flashing the backlight can be used to use simulate a global refresh. That's how LCD VR headsets work. But you need 90Hz+ to get rid of the noticeable flicker.
Nah, that would cause more issues than it would solve. Any stationary portion of the screen would be distorted by whatever compensation they did for scrolling skew.