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Or too much space between the latch and the top case
Or a SLIGHTLY uneven top case alignment
Or a slight very quiet squeaky sound when it gets tilted just so
Or getting the right SuperDrive brand to flash it to region free
Or ...

People have been playing that game a long time!

Those were mostly the PowerBooks though.
 
My 2017, which was given me after numerous 2016 model troubles, is ready for pickup after a 3rd keyboard / 1st logic board replacement.

I have been pressing for them to upgrade me to a 2018 model which I would sell new-in-box and escape this MBP nightmare. If the 2018s are this bad, maybe I should count my blessings they said no.
 
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I believe it's worth doing a PSA on what is actually Bridge OS and what is MacOS since the T2 Chip (or Bridge OS) is also collecting regular MacOS Kernel Panics.

The easy way to differentiate between bridgeos and macos crashing is looking at
Code:
{"caused_by":"bridgeos"...
vs.
Code:
{"caused_by":"macos"...
in the crash logs.
 
Does it address the issue whereby these keyboards are worse in every way to the non-butterfly keyboards. But, but, butterfly = thinner. Your point, Jony?
Very subjective though isn't it. Personally I find the new keyboard superior in every way. It feels excellent and very positive. And it enables me to type faster and more accurately. Briefly using my old MacBook Air again, now feels like typing on a wet salmon in comparison.
 
I’ve got 13inch 2018 i7 mbp.

I am running latest Mojave public beta and do not have any issues.
I can see that Mojave has newer T2 firmware than supplemental update:
16P50371a

But tbh I have not had any crashes or kernel panics on High Sierra.
 
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I hate this kind of response. I have spent tens of thousands of my own money on Apple products over the past decade (including $6,000 on the new MBP). Perhaps you're too young to remember, or just forgot, but things weren't 100% rosy when Steve was around. Remember Antenna Gate on the iPhone 4? We were all holding it wrong... Or how about how gawd awful Apple's cloud offerings used to be? Ever heard of Ping? Social for music...yeah, Myspace already happened.

Crap happens, and at least they are being proactive about trying to fix the issues.
 
Right - that explains why Samsung recalled the Note 7 when most owners never experienced the exploding battery problem. Samsung just paid too much attention to a small subset of users who experienced the problem.

They had to respond to the hysteria though. There wasn't one flight i boarded at that time where a steward didnt announce over the PA to make yourself known if you were carrying a Galaxy Note 7.
 
Is anyone getting crackling audio through bluetooth headphones/AirPods with this update still?

If I'm listening to any music, and at the same time receive a iMessage notification or do anything remotely intensive, playback through headphones stutters for half a second or so. Pretty annoying since my 2017 doesn't do this at all.
 
I hate this kind of response. ... Crap happens, and at least they are being proactive about trying to fix the issues.
Dude. Sorry to burst your bubble. What is being reporting by "a small number" (sic) has no precedence.

Kernel panics are terminal and erode confidence on Apple engineering, destroying ultimately the well-earned reputation of Apple as a company.

My opinion:
Apple should come out in front and detail, against its typical corporate secrecy, the steps its taking to make those owners whole. History shows that it is always better to do this by free will, than being pressed, later, by class-action edict that, upon discovery, could uncover internal communications amongst Apple executives trying to backpedal the issue.
 
I hate this kind of response. I have spent tens of thousands of my own money on Apple products over the past decade (including $6,000 on the new MBP). Perhaps you're too young to remember, or just forgot, but things weren't 100% rosy when Steve was around.

Perhaps the people getting issues will now feel better after your comment and go spend tens of thousands too.
 
Dude. Sorry to burst your bubble. What is being reporting by "a small number" (sic) has no precedence.

Kernel panics are terminal and erode confidence on Apple engineering, destroying ultimately the well-earned reputation of Apple as a company.

My opinion:
Apple should come out in front and detail, against its typical corporate secrecy, the steps its taking to make those owners whole. History shows that it is always better to do this by free will, than being pressed, later, by class-action edict that, upon discovery, could uncover internal communications amongst Apple executives trying to backpedal the issue.

It's not eroding my confidence in their engineering any more than having the antennas in a questionable place on the iPhone 4 did.
 
Right - that explains why Samsung recalled the Note 7 when most owners never experienced the exploding battery problem. Samsung just paid too much attention to a small subset of users who experienced the problem. To be sure, kernel panics aren't as potentially life-threatening as exploding batteries, but beyond a certain level of statistical significance, the chances for product failure aren't acceptable - especially for expensive products.

2 things:

1st, as you stated, an exploding battery is a much bigger deal than a kernel panic. Even if only a small fraction of users experience an exploding battery, a full recall is very much worth it to eliminate any more harm and a costly lawsuit.

2nd, and perhaps more importantly for this particular issue, we don't know how many people are being effected but the kernel panics and/or crackling audio. Those who are having issues will always be the loudest, but you cannot determine how wide spread the issue is by that vocal minority. Just as you can not determine how not wide spread the issue based on those who are saying they don't have an issue.

The bottom line is, there may be a hardware issue for some, or it may just be software related. Proclaiming that there is a wide spread QA issue based on anecdotal evidence is folly at best.
 
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It clearly says that this update applies to 2018 TB MBPs. When Apple (and MacRumors for that matter) don't mention other models, it means they don't apply to other models.

"Do these brakes that say 2018 Ford Fusion also work for my 1968 Mercedes?"
False equivalence. One of the only things that makes the MacOS version different on my 2016 machine from a 2018 are the different kernel extensions that they run, hence kernel panics.

Code changes are not always model specific. A fix for a 2018 problem could have unknowingly fixed lesser known issues on the 2016 model.
 
False equivalence. One of the only things that makes the MacOS version different on my 2016 machine from a 2018 are the different kernel extensions that they run, hence kernel panics.

Code changes are not always model specific. A fix for a 2018 problem could have unknowingly fixed lesser known issues on the 2016 model.
Did the App Store update page offer the 10.13.6 Supplemental Update 2 for you to install on your 2016 MBP?
 
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I’ve got 13inch 2018 i7 mbp.

I am running latest Mojave public beta and do not have any issues.
I can see that Mojave has newer T2 firmware than supplemental update:
16P50371a

But tbh I have not had any crashes or herbal panics on High Sierra.
I used to have herbal panics until I stopped smoking that dank.
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Dude. Sorry to burst your bubble. What is being reporting by "a small number" (sic) has no precedence.

Kernel panics are terminal and erode confidence on Apple engineering, destroying ultimately the well-earned reputation of Apple as a company.

My opinion:
Apple should come out in front and detail, against its typical corporate secrecy, the steps its taking to make those owners whole. History shows that it is always better to do this by free will, than being pressed, later, by class-action edict that, upon discovery, could uncover internal communications amongst Apple executives trying to backpedal the issue.
Your well informed tech opinion. Apple would not allow the word “panic” in a PR brief ever never ever. Not publicly announcing it is way smarter for them in almost every way. Which is why they will not lose my business. I get it. This will get fixed.
 
False equivalence. One of the only things that makes the MacOS version different on my 2016 machine from a 2018 are the different kernel extensions that they run, hence kernel panics.

Code changes are not always model specific. A fix for a 2018 problem could have unknowingly fixed lesser known issues on the 2016 model.

The update clearly says "exclusively for 2018 MacBook Pro with Touch Bar models". It mentions no other models.

Exclusively: to the exclusion of others; only; solely.

Everything Apple has published along with this update says 2018 specifically and lists no other makes or models.

How much more clearly do they need to mark it for you? "This update IS NOT FOR THE 2016 MACBOOK PRO WITH TOUCH BAR. THAT MEANS YOU CerebralX. THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO YOUR MACHINE!"
 
I've been waiting for a mac mini refresh for a long time, but Apple's increasing lack of quality control and engineering issues in its mac range, I'm not that keen on a mac mini any more.
 
Very subjective though isn't it. Personally I find the new keyboard superior in every way. It feels excellent and very positive. And it enables me to type faster and more accurately. Briefly using my old MacBook Air again, now feels like typing on a wet salmon in comparison.
I love your wet salmon reference, very funny. Personally, there's a positive: I find the keyboard faster to use, looks nicer, however: I have less confidence my fingers are on the keys properly (gap between the keys, full left and right cursor keys instead of half keys), prefer not to make so much noise typing.

ps -- sorry to be off topic. I'm tempted on the 2018 MBP, but once these problems are ironed out.
 
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