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Apple Says New EU Interoperability Rules 'Bad for Our Products and Our Users'

Stuwil said:
Again you have missed the point.

If Apple were a stand alone headphone company there would be no issue at all because then they would be developing their product for someone else’s OS.

The problem is because they are the owners of the OS so in that aspect they are giving their own products an advantage by developing software for it that no one else is allowed to have access to because they are the owners of the OS that’s the reason
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That is precisely my point. I'm okay with Apple prioritizing its products and ecosystem over others. IMO, there's nothing wrong with that. If people find competitors to their liking, buy them. I personally see NO reason for Apple to help foster competition through increased interoperability.

As stated, I would ditch the EU before I caved to those demands.
 
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deevey said:
Put a physical price on the consumer data that Google utilizes. This could range from few hundred to thousands per user.

They don't offer a free OS, they offer their OS in return for data mining.
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No government will force google to put a price on android because Google’s argument will be it will stop smaller OEM’s from being able to sell mobile phones so in turn that will restrict a company from selling their products
 
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deevey said:
Put a physical price on the consumer data that Google utilizes. This could range from few hundred to thousands per user.

They don't offer a free OS, they offer their OS in return for data mining.
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Right but no government is going to legislate that google put a price on android because the argument will be it will stop smaller OEM’s from being able to sell their mobile phones & in turn restrict competition
 
panzer06 said:
That is precisely my point. I'm okay with Apple prioritizing its products and ecosystem over others. IMO, there's nothing wrong with that. If people find competitors to their liking, buy them. I personally see NO reason for Apple to help foster competition through increased interoperability.

As stated, I would ditch the EU before I caved to those demands.
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Yes but Apple are not going to ditch the EU because they are a business
All Apple would need to do is prove they don’t have an advantage over the competition by offering evidence that consumers don’t favor that option
 
Stuwil said:
Right but how does a start up compete with google & Apple because in the west they have collectively the market share & the amount of money both companies are worth they will just squeeze the competition
Just like every other big company
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You enact regulations to allow competitors to emerge.
 
Stuwil said:
Right but no government is going to legislate that google put a price on android because the argument will be it will stop smaller OEM’s from being able to sell their mobile phones & in turn restrict competition
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Well they should because it’s highly anti-competitive as it stands.
 
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mrochester said:
You enact regulations to allow competitors to emerge.
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Right you can keep saying that but it doesn’t fundamentally matter because you can’t regulate google from giving android away for free

Because even if a new start up came on the block then you would have to convince developers to make apps for a product that has zero customers or will have very few customers to be worth while in making apps for it & you can’t force companies to make apps for a mobile
 
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mrochester said:
And that’s what we want. It forces other companies to innovate and bring new OSes to the market, which is desperately needing more competition.

The reason they don’t do that is because of Google.

And that highlights where the regulation is needed.

How many smartphone manufacturers will pay £50 to license PebbleOS when they can pay £0 to license Android? And therein lies the problem. We need to regulate Google so they can’t sell Android for £0. It’s hugely anticompetitive that they can and do.
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It’s open source. Let’s not decide to make that illegal.

mrochester said:
Sounds like the west needs some regulations to foster competition at the platform level then.

You keep on pointing out the problem of there only being 2 platforms. Let’s solve that problem. I’m not sure why some people are so resistant to having more competition.
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There are only 3 computer os’. There’s never been this problem before. It’s not the issue, how many platforms there are.

The issue is the stranglehold on the platforms, the issue is how closed mobile computing is compared to traditional systems, and that the owners of the os’, in particular Apple, are capitalising on that to their own ends, to the detriment of everyone else.

It wouldn’t matter if Apple had never opened up their system to 3rd parties, app makers, peripheral makers etc. But they did and they brag about it. But at the same time they compete with these 3rd parties.

But when competing they’re giving themselves the advantage by withholding some of the apis and software hooks for themselves.

Government can’t legislate extra os’ into existence. They can legislate that the current dominating OS providers play fairly.
 
cupcakes2000 said:
It’s open source. Let’s not decide to make that illegal.


There are only 3 computer os’. There’s never been this problem before. It’s not the issue, how many platforms there are.

The issue is the stranglehold on the platforms, the issue is how closed mobile computing is compared to traditional systems, and that the owners of the os’, in particular Apple, are capitalising on that to their own ends, to the detriment of everyone else.

It wouldn’t matter if Apple had never opened up their system to 3rd parties, app makers, peripheral makers etc. But they did and they brag about it. But at the same time they compete with these 3rd parties.

But when competing they’re giving themselves the advantage by withholding some of the apis and software hooks for themselves.

Government can’t legislate extra os’ into existence. They can legislate that the current dominating OS providers play fairly.
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In this world, there is endless opportunities for marketing and growth. If people can become self made millionaires on social media through their own marketing and branding, there’s zero reason why someone can’t create a compelling product themselves and use the vast open spaces of the Internet to sell their product if it’s so good. Nobody else’s fault that Ericsson and Nokia, etc can’t compete. Maybe they should have created better products themselves and stayed up to date. They ruled the late 90s and early 2000’s, I guess they should have tried harder. Certainly not Apple’s fault they create a great product that people use and enjoy.
 
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delsoul said:
In this world, there is endless opportunities for marketing and growth. If people can become self made millionaires on social media through their own marketing and branding, there’s zero reason why someone can’t create a compelling product themselves and use the vast open spaces of the Internet to sell their product if it’s so good. Nobody else’s fault that Ericsson and Nokia, etc can’t compete. Maybe they should have created better products themselves and stayed up to date. They ruled the late 90s and early 2000’s, I guess they should have tried harder. Certainly not Apple’s fault they create a great product that people use and enjoy.
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Great. Except non of that is at all relevant if you want to make money on iOS without Apple either; making it impossible to compete with them by then not offering the same resources that they can use or b, reaching their hand into your back pocket for anything you sell.
 
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Why is it is such a difficult concept that if you don’t like the product, go somewhere else? Nobody goes moaning to Mercedes that Honda wheels don’t fit and sue Mercedes to make it possible. They simply deal with it and go buy the product as it is. This is no different. A company designs and builds their product for them, the way they like it, and you either purchase it or you don’t. Really is that simple. Maybe euros should build Ericsson and Nokia back up since nothing else is ever good enough for them. Building from scratch gives them the opportunity to build their EU-approved dream system and hardware.
 
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delsoul said:
Why is it is such a difficult concept that if you don’t like the product, go somewhere else? Nobody goes moaning to Mercedes that Honda wheels don’t fit and sue Mercedes to make it possible. They simply deal with it and go buy the product as it is. This is no different. A company designs and builds their product for them, the way they like it, and you either purchase it or you don’t. Really is that simple. Maybe euros should build Ericsson and Nokia back up since nothing else is ever good enough for them. Building from scratch gives them the opportunity to build their EU-approved dream system and hardware.
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Why are you turning into ‘us’ verse ‘them’? Is Apple your friend or colleague or coworker, or family? Why is it a EU v US situation for you? We’re all consumers. Weirdly obsessing over your favourite companies woes verses a government trying to regulate them (and let’s be honest, all governments regulate, even the US) is odd to say the least. Turning into some kind of vendetta against everyone who lives in a certain part of the world is disturbing.
 
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cupcakes2000 said:
Why are you turning into ‘us’ verse ‘them’? Is Apple your friend or colleague or coworker, or family? Why is it a EU v US situation for you? We’re all consumers. Weirdly obsessing over your favourite companies woes verses a government trying to regulate them (and let’s be honest, all governments regulate, even the US) is odd to say the least. Turning into some kind of vendetta against everyone who lives in a certain part of the world is disturbing.
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You have a strange perception of reality. Believing your government is protecting you.
The world is based on freedom and competition. It can’t be forced to be something else. Consumers (us) get to decide what we want and what is best. Governments have NEVER been for the people.
 
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cupcakes2000 said:
Great. Except non of that is at all relevant if you want to make money on iOS without Apple either; making it impossible to compete with them by then not offering the same resources that they can use or b, reaching their hand into your back pocket for anything you sell.
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It's all Apples' platform, engage with them or not. The EU is forcing Apple to be like windows - the lowest common denominator or not having any unique functionality, but to be a vessel only for carrying other goods. The EU will get what it wants mediocrity within it's borders.
 
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I7guy said:
It's all Apples' platform, engage with them or not. The EU is forcing Apple to be like windows - the lowest common denominator or not having any unique functionality, but to be a vessel only for carrying other goods. The EU will get what it wants mediocrity within it's borders.
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The EU chose not to be a part of the tech race. Now, Google and Apple are bad. Their response? Attack them. How about becoming innovators?
 
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darngooddesign said:
It is about the H2. If Apple can be compelled to give everyone software parity, they can be compelled to give everyone access to H2s so there is hardware parity.
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They are not.

We can settle the question without any doubt or speculation:
The EU has specified how Apple shall comply - and it does not including giving away H2 chips (or their technology).
 
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AppliedMicro said:
The H2 does way more than that (according to Apple).
Which Apple are free to keep to themselves and leverage to differentiate their products from the competition.
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Sure vertical integration.
AppliedMicro said:
Which is why I said: They do not have to give away H2 chips or "hardware parity".
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They have to give away the apis for software parity, which is what I said.
AppliedMicro said:
Pairing and communication is basic interoperability.
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Tomato or to-mah-to. In other words Apple still loses.
 
surferfb said:
It means they can no longer user AirDrop and Airplay as differentiating features that encourage people to stay in Apple's ecosystem. That's theft of Apple's intellectual property.

To use an analogy, it's like saying that because you let a friend stay in your guest bedroom for free you have to let others you don't want in your house stay in your guest room for free. If that was the law, you probably wouldn't let friends stay over, now would you? So why should Apple continue to offer these features in the EU?
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I agree.
Why would anyone develop when they are not able to protect it from legalized theft.
 
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