No this thing called 'real world', where real customers have real requirements that enable them to do their jobs.
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No this thing called 'real world', where real customers have real requirements that enable them to do their jobs.
Sure, the 2019 Mac Pro is great for film/video/etc. usage. It’s also great for any other pro who needs the capabilities of a Mac Pro. Why do you think the 2019 MP isn’t built for existing MP customers? Those who needed Mac workstation-class computing before have much more headroom with the new platform, and yes that comes at a small increase in cost.
But to say the 2018 is somehow too expensive for pros is ridiculous. And it’ll last for many, many years, especially given the socketed CPU and 12 RAM slots, and of course the 8 PCIe slots.
Any pro who could afford a 2013 Mac Pro can afford the 2019—it’s that simple. In 2013, the 8-core/16GB RAM/256GB SSD Mac Pro was $5,500. No slots. 256GB max RAM. Yes, the cheapest base machine is now $6,000. 8-core, 32GB. 8 slots, 1.5 TB max RAM. Yes, in 2013 the base machine was $4,000 (for a 6-core, 12GB config).
But even comparing base config pricing, how can $30/month (more like $20/month after tax in the US) possibly make the new Mac Pro unaffordable for ANY pro? If that’s really going to break you, you’re doing something wrong. Time to change your business model or close it down. It’s not up to Apple to subsidize your failing business.
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The new Mac Pro will do exactly that, won’t it?
I’m not sure what you mean when you say “mid-tier desktop” in the prior post. I don’t know what your dream machine base spec or price expectations are, but no matter—I submit that any pro can use the top-tier Mac Pro instead.
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You can still be a pro without buying a Pro, and you’d be in good company
Lots of pros use iMac (the regular one, not iMac Pro); pros also use the MacBook as well, it’s awesome for those who do a lot of travel; and pros use Mac mini, too. Actually all the non-Pro products are used by various pros, it really just depends on the requirements and budget. (Of course non-pros buy the Pro products too!)
Imagine an iMac without the screen. Essentially the equivalent of a windows gaming desktop.
80% of Apple’s customers want laptops, and another 10-15% buy iMac. That leaves 5-10% currently split between Mac mini, iMac Pro and Mac Pro. There’s no room for a Mac Pro mini.
Most of Apple’s consumer/home customers don’t want a mini-tower. Who adds cards nowadays? If you need a more powerful GPU, add an eGPU for your MacBook, iMac or mini.
Pros buy laptops, Mac mini, iMac, iMac Pro or Mac Pro. If you need slots, buy the 2019 Mac Pro. Yes, it’s a little more expensive than the 2013 Mac Pro, but it’s a much better machine, and it’s also got PCIe slots now.
The market for a mini-tower/xMac/mid-tier desktop is small, and can be served very capably by Mac Pro. Some people have wanted an xMac since at least 2005, but Apple doesn’t see it as a profitable market segment. Fifteen years later, nothing has changed—on either side.
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LOL. Not too expensive for 'Pros', too expensive for the spec on offer at the entry level. And just because Apple tells you something is true, doesn't mean it is.
Actually I am exactly the customer who would buy this system. Don't pertain to know who I am or what I do. Having all of these slots means nothing if Apple is fundamentally going to tell us what we can and cannot put in the system. Primarily not offering driver support for alternative graphics solutions. The industry this system is aiming at apart from post houses and editors with it's super after burner card is VFX for which that card is redundant. Whilst adoption of Metal will come from the developers, and having several announcements of support, it's still to happen. After all they also made announcements when the 2013 MacPro was announced, and support never came. CUDA is still outperforming Metal. I will wait to see real world benchmarks when the system is released. I know many post houses who moved to PC way back when they stopped getting the hardware support from Apple. They are not going to just jump ship at the drop of a hat.
You’re all over the place. First it’s ugly, then it’s overpriced, then all the components are outdated, now you want CUDA, slots are useless, and who wants a Mac when everybody’s already switched to PCs
Whatever. If the machine doesn’t meet your needs, don’t buy it. But don’t bother with the “Macs are overpriced” crap, I’ve heard it for the last 35+ years. Apple will be just fine if they don’t sell you a Mac Pro. They’re selling $25 billion a year to those who do value their products.
Here’s the way I look at it. A company that pays an employee $70k a year costs more like $100k/yr with benefits and payroll taxes. That’s $500k in five years; do you really think a $20k machine is a dealbreaker for them?
If there were a mid-tier model with a base price of $3,000, that $20k machine is now $17k, and the company saved $50/month buying a less capable/expandable machine, while spending $8,300/month on wages for the person using it. Big deal.
The target market is Mac customers who need an expandable, powerful, well-engineered single-CPU Xeon workstation. It’s a pretty narrow, specific niche that’s maybe a 1% market share of all Macs sold. There’s not a big enough market for a cut-down version to fit into the product line, I think.
For a machine that’s going to last five to ten years, the issue of it being more machine than you think you’re ever going to need... is that really such a big problem?
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oh well... this is what fanboys keep saying.
i can buy a pc with those specs for half the price
and at the same time a pc is way more upgradeable.
and i know that i can buy a new machine whenever i need it.
so no, the price is not quite affordable, it is expensive.
If you have 25 employees and you get 25 PCs for $250k instead of $500k for Macs,
and you know that apple had let us pros down for 5+ years, now and that i wont bet my hand
that mac pros will be still around in 10 years... well, you might come to other conclusions
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You can buy "a pc" sure. But your argument could be used at any of the large vendors who sell very expensive workstations (or server products, for that matter) that technically could be duplicated with much cheaper parts and technically run the same operating system. I'm pretty sure HP also knows what it's doing when it also offers $5,000 and $10,000 desktop workstations for people who need them.
1) If your software only runs on MacOS, buying a PC is not even an option. If you need Windows and MacOS, PCs are also a no-go. If you only need Windows and/or Linux, you might be able to save money (on the initial purchase) by buying PCs.
2) But if a $1,799 iMac meets your needs, that price cannot be beat if you try to buy a PC with equivalent specs.
3) If you consider the total cost of ownership, Macs are likely cheaper.
4) Especially if you take into account resale value.
It all comes down to buying the right equipment to meet your requirements. If that’s PC, awesome. But I wouldn’t worry too much about what might happen in 10 years, I’ve found it’s difficult to project even 3-5 years out with any accuracy. Ten years is three purchase cycles for us.
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Totally agreed.
Even though I am not pleased with a lot of moves apple has made in the past several years, price is not one of them.
By my way of thinking, I buy an Apple computer to last me many years, and I baby them. They are a one time expense (albiet large expense) that I purchase to take me through a big chunk of years.
Its one thing if I was someone buying a new computer every two years, but pretty much every mac I buy I count on using for 5 years or more. Given that, the one tine hit in price is acceptable to me.
First of all, I am not a Fanboi. but go ahead call me as much as you want since I don't give much **** about it,
I just wanted to say that this is not aimed at people who want to browse Facebook or post-Instagram photos or check their little emails or few seconds of birthday party videos, including some shaky holiday videos! Not even for the ones who mistakingly think they got what it takes to be a Pro. This is aimed at big studios and organizations to whom time is money, and anything that saves them time makes them money. They are the ones is aimed at and they are the ones who would buy it in a heartbeat without a silly discussion about the price of the stand The world of a REAL Pro is like that with all companies that make Pro products. Just have a look at the RED cameras and their "stratospheric" prices for little camera accessories. But the ones who fork $80,000 for Monstro 8K VV aren't really going to discuss the price of the v-lock expander which is well over $1900, their brain does not work same as yours or other who keep moaning about the price.
There is a variety of much cheaper products perfectly capable of handling the workflow of the ones who "think" they are Pro, but in reality, they aren't.
You know, some people should really educate themselves before they start to judge or call other people Fanbois.
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You may want to rethink buying the stand until you can afford the 6 grand for the monitor... by the time you have the money for the display, they may well change the mounting so the old stand no longer works...
Have had many spirited conversations with friends about this machine... the best argument is 5 grand of the initial price is only for the chassis. The actual computing parts are at best worth 1-1500 bucks. Thing is, they will sell a LOT of base config machines to folks who will almost never go for the more expensive stuff. The well heeled "enthusiasts." Thing is, they are totally forgetting about the FAR larger market of not so well off enthusiasts (and that sure as **** includes pros of more modest means, of which there ALSO are an awful lot of)... wanna guess how many money earning videographers do NOT own Red camera equipment? They have choices, we do not.
Have had many spirited conversations with friends about this machine... the best argument is 5 grand of the initial price is only for the chassis. The actual computing parts are at best worth 1-1500 bucks. Thing is, they will sell a LOT of base config machines to folks who will almost never go for the more expensive stuff. The well heeled "enthusiasts." Thing is, they are totally forgetting about the FAR larger market of not so well off enthusiasts (and that sure as **** includes pros of more modest means, of which there ALSO are an awful lot of)... wanna guess how many money earning videographers do NOT own Red camera equipment? They have choices, we do not.