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Apple Says New Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR Are Coming in September [Updated]
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Don't know if this got a reply - but your comments confuse me. The new display rotates, so your comment is totally redundant. Shooting in 14 bit, and displaying it are totally different things. What other digital form of displaying this content do you plan on using to see all of the 14 bit depth? This is solely for printed media, capturing far more colour detail.
[doublepost=1560442128][/doublepost]I think the general comments are as follows. The base model is expensive. Which ever way you cut it, it's costly for what you're getting. If you
not sure they are going to grow as much as you think. Professionals who have already jumped ship, aren't gonna come running back. Not for overpriced components. It's a system with flexibility, but it's certainly not competitively prices for what you're actually getting.
Eh, no it doesn't. You have to buy that too. $199.
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Whoops. I didn't realize that. Still cheaper to buy that attachment and then buy a $45 Vesa compatible stand from Amazon.
Base price went up by 50%. But no one will compare it to the 2013 computer. They're comparing it to what they can get today.
The hardware is completely overpriced and overengineered. The only thing saving this thing is MacOS which continues to the difference maker.
It's overpriced because new AMD Ryzen, Threadripper, EPYC chips will be much faster than Intel chips at half the price and without all the security concerns. The value is just not there for the Mac.
LOL. If that's all you can say as a response, you're even more clueless.
Think about it. Apple have created a product for a small subset of the professional market and in doing so have ignored a big portion of their existing customer-base who the old Mac Pro was aimed at. The very people who were waiting for an update to the Mac Pro. The customers who have loyally waited for years because they don't want to move off the Mac.
So all these customers are wrong and Apple is right. Is that what you are saying? These customers are now no longer professionals? Is this what you are saying? I've deliberately not told you what I do or why I would require such a machine instead I gave you hypothetical examples, but these apparently were poor. Are you really so blinded by Apple's marketing that you can't see the need for a mid-tier desktop and that the starting price for the Mac Pro (given the spec of the internals) is too high? It's engineering excellence, but it only makes sense when you have a requirement that goes above what is provided by a high-end PC - more than 16 cores, over 256GB RAM. The vast majority of existing users don't have this requirement, hence the need for a product between the Mini and the Pro, but they need internal expansion so that discounts the iMac and iMac Pro as options.
If the Mac Pro isn't built for existing Mac Pro customers, show me the desktop computer from Apple that is. It must also have internal expansion and that part is mandatory.
It’s not at all overpriced, whether considered on its own or in comparison to other workstations. Overengineered? Not for those who will buy it. And Apple is unlikely to use any AMD CPUs (imo, I could be wrong), so their cost isn’t relevant to those who want/need to run MacOS.
The issue here essentially boils down to self-styled "pro" users wanting internal expansion (more to save a buck than anything else) and then passing off that want as some uncompromisable need. As though their entire workflow would fall apart without the possibility of internal expansion.
You all want what Apple will not give, and you know it.
I would say that they are not "professionals" by Apple's definition. The term you are likely looking for is "enthusiast", ie people who are able and willing to tinker with their own PCs.
In short, what I am seeing is that people here are trying to conflate the two terms, but they actually mean two very different things, at least where Apple is concerned.
I suspect what Apple (correctly) realised is that the "pro" market who wants a headless mid-tier Mac is a lot smaller than the online noise would make it out to be. I believe the majority of Apple's Mac desktop user base is more than adequately served by the iMac, thanks to its simplicity and ease of setup, leaving you all as the very vocal minority.
Heck, even MKBHD has now taken to carting his iMac Pro around with him when he travels to conventions and roadshows.
Which brings us back to the original point.
The "mid-tier" desktop is essentially the iMac and iMac Pro (specced accordingly to the individual user's computing needs).
The key difference I see between the iMac and a hypothetical mid-tier headless Mac is that you get to save some money in the future because you would theoretically be able to upgrade the internals on your own rather than replace the iMac altogether, while also being able to recycle peripherals such as the display.
Otherwise, cost aside, I am not seeing what exactly it is a headless Mac would be able to do that an equivalently-specced iMac or iMac Pro can't.
Which then begs the question - whoever decided that a professional had to be able to upgrade his own computer? A photographer is no less of a photographer if he doesn't know how to install his own ram, just as someone who is able to tinker with the innards of his own computer doesn't automatically make him a professional.
Is a YouTuber any less of a professional if he simply elects to replace his iMac every 3 years, rather than do his editing on a PC rig and upgrade the internals every year?
LOL since when are computer components going up in price, they depreciate with age. So this $4,400 in todays dollar is ridiculous. The irony is the tech in the 2019 model is outdated. Those graphics cards are two years old! Yes by sheer force adding 4 to the system does make them powerful, but adding multiples of anything will do this. And In what terms are we measuring "Better" it's better because it has slots? Yes Empty slots are where the money is racking up.
Look at the sheer bump in cost when you customise an IMac Pro, 1700 for a ram bump. When off the shelf you can get it for a couple of hundred. Look at the processor bumps, and then look at the off the shelf cost of one.
Yikes... where to start?
Since you seem to have trouble with the concept of inflation—yes, it takes $4,400 today to buy what $4,000 could buy in 2013—maybe it would help to look at it another way. Paying $6000 today is the same as $5450 in 2013. I’m sure that’ll clear things up.
The tech in the 2019 MP is outdated? Graphics performance is only impressive because four GPUs are used? Well, true, having four GPUs does make it powerful; 56 TFlops instead of the 14 TFlops you’d get with just one. But those cards haven’t been released yet. Either have the Xeon CPUs. So not exactly outdated. And yes, 8 PCIe slots are “better” than zero. I suppose to those outside of the target market, they don’t have any value, however, since they’d probably go mostly unused. Who needs seven empty slots, right?
I’d have to agree that Apple’s RAM pricing is kind of annoying. But the ECC RDIMMs or LRDIMMs for a 128GB config for the iMac Pro aren’t $200—try $1,000-1,200. https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/imac-pro-2017
I get it. You have absolutely no need for a Mac Pro, and you don’t value the GPU, CPU or RAM capabilities. That’s OK. But for pros who’ve been asking/begging Apple to return to the tower form factor, it’s very much a welcome addition to the Mac lineup.
And therein lies the rub. I know a LOT of these guys, I USED to be one myself. NONE of them are going to be getting a 20-30 gand machine, it's simply way, way beyond anything they can afford. This machine MAY be welcome in the huge studios, massive film production houses where it's a MacProTaXWriteOff. This by a long shot s THE most niche machine they have ever built. It is NOT made or designed any of us.
Abazigal pretty much nailed it in post #358 above.
If you NEED this machine, you’ll buy it regardless of cost. You’ll finance it or take out a business loan if you have to, because that’s what a true professional does when he needs a certain piece of equipment to do work that earns him money to grow his business.
If you WANT this machine and can afford it, you’ll buy it if you think it’s worth the cost outlay. If not, you should buy a competing product that gives you the perceived value you’re looking for.
If you want this machine but can’t afford it, you’ll conflate “want” with “need” and rant on an Internet forum about how Apple is screwing you over.
If you NEED this machine, you’ll buy it regardless of cost. You’ll finance it or take out a business loan if you have to, because that’s what a true professional does when he needs a certain piece of equipment to do work that earns him money to grow his business.
If you WANT this machine and can afford it, you’ll buy it if you think it’s worth the cost outlay. If not, you should buy a competing product that gives you the perceived value you’re looking for.
If you want this machine but can’t afford it, you’ll conflate “want” with “need” and rant on an Internet forum about how Apple is screwing you over.
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You’re making a mountain out of a molehill. Any pro who could afford a 2013 Mac Pro can afford the 2019.
In 2013, the 8-core/16GB RAM/256GB SSD Mac Pro was $5,500. No slots. 256GB max RAM.
Yes, the cheapest base machine is now $6,000. 8-core, 32GB. The 2013 was 6-core/12GB for $4,000. But how can $30/month (more like $20/month after the MacProTaxWriteOff) possibly price out you and a lot of the pros you know? That makes absolutely zero sense.
This is the machine for ALL pros; it’s not niche in the least (though the monitor is). The idea that only huge movie studios or massive film production houses can afford the new Mac Pro is nothing short of ridiculous.
LMFAO - 'not professional by Apples definition'. Seriously cut down on the Kool Aid..... That has to be the most retarded comment I've have ever heard on here.
For DisplayPort, this is handled by MST. I don't know that MST works very well with the Mac OS.
I disagree about daisy chaining, to me it's more elegant to have one cable run from the computer.
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Great statement wherein you can neither prove nor disprove that the effect the Mac Pro had on numbers. It will be released in the same quarter as the new iPhone and just before holiday buying season.
I'm interested to see what the CPU pricing options are. From a brief review of the pricing floating around for the CPUs (obviously not with Apple's discount from Intel and then corresponding markup), it appears as if the 16 core CPU may offer the best value. Storage upgrades are going to be as "expensive" as they are today; and if people are offended by Apple's RAM pricing they may start jumping off bridges when they see pricing for the upgrade GPUs.
It's unfortunate that we had to switch to HP Z8s a while ago - but our 5,1 machines were (finally) too slow and the trash cans we tried converted themselves to trash cans when run 24/7 at 100% (12 core 2.7; D700s).
And without quibbling over comparison builds, a competitive workstation, like the HP Z8, is at least as much as the 7,1 when matched as closely as practicable.
It's unfortunate that we had to switch to HP Z8s a while ago - but our 5,1 machines were (finally) too slow and the trash cans we tried converted themselves to trash cans when run 24/7 at 100% (12 core 2.7; D700s).
And without quibbling over comparison builds, a competitive workstation, like the HP Z8, is at least as much as the 7,1 when matched as closely as practicable.
Learn how the reporting works, my friend. The Mac line is still broken out separately. Try again though.
Can’t wait to get a 2nd mortgage so I can run benchmarks and kick all your butts...
But in seriousness, congrats on releasing the product many have asked for.
We are fortunate that it looks as though we have a machine that has no limits for what we can do today.
Also looks like we can upgrade along the way for years to come.
But in seriousness, congrats on releasing the product many have asked for.
We are fortunate that it looks as though we have a machine that has no limits for what we can do today.
Also looks like we can upgrade along the way for years to come.
So we don’t know whether they’ll be selling more iMacs, more Mac Minis, more iMac Pros or more Mac Pros.
There are no definitions made by corporations
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/professional