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Apple Says New Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR Are Coming in September [Updated]
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Price is really about need.
Tim Berners-Lee used a NeXT computer to develop the World Wide Web. In constant dollars a NeXT workstation from 1989 would cost about $13,400 today. The original 1977 Apple II (with max ram - all 48K) sold for $2,638 and would be about $11,100 in 2019 money. Now a real failure, but still far sighted, was the Apple LISA at $10,000 in 1983 which would be about $25,600 today. [Yes, $1,000 for the monitor stand is really an artifact for the Museum of Modern Art Design Department]. Oh, an EIZO RX660 30 inch 6 MP display is over $14,000 in today’s money.
It is all about technical need and financial capacity.
I am happy with my 2015 MacBook Pro for now. Wait until NeXT year!
Tim Berners-Lee used a NeXT computer to develop the World Wide Web. In constant dollars a NeXT workstation from 1989 would cost about $13,400 today. The original 1977 Apple II (with max ram - all 48K) sold for $2,638 and would be about $11,100 in 2019 money. Now a real failure, but still far sighted, was the Apple LISA at $10,000 in 1983 which would be about $25,600 today. [Yes, $1,000 for the monitor stand is really an artifact for the Museum of Modern Art Design Department]. Oh, an EIZO RX660 30 inch 6 MP display is over $14,000 in today’s money.
It is all about technical need and financial capacity.
I am happy with my 2015 MacBook Pro for now. Wait until NeXT year!
A genuine question:
I have an 8-core Cylinder MacPro, with the dual AMD D700 graphics (12GB VRAM) and 64Gb RAM. It's a pretty amazing machine, I am creating large 3D scenes with it. I am happy with it's performance (while being aware the limitations). I am not into 8k videos.
My question is: is the new basic version of the Mac Pro significantly better than what I have now?
Because it looks to me that the new basic version would not offer me a massive performance jump. Am I wrong? So my thinking is that it would only make sense to upgrade now if I can make a significant investment and go for a 20-28 core version, with a monster GPU setup. But I cannot make that investment, so it's almost better to stick to what I have, save the cash and maybe get the 2019 Mac Pro later, on the 2nd hand market?
I have an 8-core Cylinder MacPro, with the dual AMD D700 graphics (12GB VRAM) and 64Gb RAM. It's a pretty amazing machine, I am creating large 3D scenes with it. I am happy with it's performance (while being aware the limitations). I am not into 8k videos.
My question is: is the new basic version of the Mac Pro significantly better than what I have now?
Because it looks to me that the new basic version would not offer me a massive performance jump. Am I wrong? So my thinking is that it would only make sense to upgrade now if I can make a significant investment and go for a 20-28 core version, with a monster GPU setup. But I cannot make that investment, so it's almost better to stick to what I have, save the cash and maybe get the 2019 Mac Pro later, on the 2nd hand market?
Should I get the Valve Index for $999 this June, or wait till September to get the $999 aluminium stand? Choices, choices.
The Mac Pro is officially dead for probably 85% of the previous MacPro customers. It no longer exists as a viable alternative. $$,$$$
Yea thanks. I definitely won't be able to save 20,000$ (which it what it'll cost for MacPro with a few little upgrades, the monitor and glorious magic stand) until then haha.
I thought the same with the 2013, but I ended up getting on used on eBay last year for a more normal price, but it took 5 years for that to happen. I bought a 2009 8x new in 2009 and I thought that was pushing the envelope as far as price goes.
The good thing is that compared to my first 20 years of computer work, computers are improving much more slowly, so a desktop can be viable for a good 10 years now, unless Apple obsoletes it.
I do wish Apple would come out with a more reasonably priced desktop that isn't the mini. This seems to me like a boutique, "look what I can do" release. I guess the good news is my 2013 8x will hold it's value better with the newest version costing nearly 2x as much.
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I like you comment on car money and transportation. I feel the same way, you might be a high level auto mechanic that only make $65000 a year but if you really want a $80000 corvette convertible, do you say no i will not get that car because it cost a lot of money or do you find a find a way to purchase it and drive it.
Again the prosumer has a choice between thermal throttling or overkill/selling the kidney.
The biggest story here is apple let down those in the middle of the market.
The biggest story here is apple let down those in the middle of the market.
Ha! You would hope Apple would make enough of those stands. Though maybe they won't because who the heck is going to buy one when the monitor has a vesa mount built in. You can buy a stand that will be compatible for $45. And it will tilt and swivel!
Those who actually have paying jobs that can make use of the power of this machine, are excited about how much more money they're going to be making with it.3 more months for us to sell our kidneys.
(Okay, okay, I know that this product is not for us and is for the real pros)
These products are not suposed to be buyed by individuals/amateurs but by companies for their employees and use these as investment assets. This is a professional work station and if used properly, you can recover the investment with just one project. A professional phtographer for example will usually have around 30.000 USD of camera equipment alone not including other studio equipment.
Wait. You are telling me that
“its long-awaited redesigned Mac Pro along with a new Pro Display XDR”
You just admit that trash cans was a failure? Now, i came to know this Mac Pro isn't for home user? Man this is really mess up!
“its long-awaited redesigned Mac Pro along with a new Pro Display XDR”
You just admit that trash cans was a failure? Now, i came to know this Mac Pro isn't for home user?
Man this is really mess up!I think you're right regarding part of the cost issue with the monitor stand. The Mac Pro itself will have lower sales volume than Apple's other macOS hardware, and the stand being offered as an accessory will mean even lower volume than the Mac Pro. That said, I would guess that there's something very special about the balance and adjustment for the stand. My own experience with using monitor arms is that they have obvious shortcomings when it comes to holding the position you want versus being easy to move. Easy to move usually means the arm will eventually sag out of position, while holding the position accurately usually means spending time tightening all the various ligatures. I'm guessing that the Mac Pro stand will allow both perfect accuracy for holding position and also require no additional adjustment to do so. You'll be able to freely move the monitor without effort and it will always hold the position you choose accurately.
I'm not sure which special-use cases you're referring to. Certainly you don't mean the ones I mentioned, which use Adobe, Autodesk, Avid, DaVinci, and Maxon? The "other" market from this, which I alluded to in my post, is better off using PCs (and Apple knows this, and therefore isn't targeting them with the new Mac Pro). Am I missing something?
$999 for a stand is questionable piece? Please go check the retail price for RED camera handles and other accessories. Im not saying it is not expensive, but it is definetly something out of this world when compared to the competition of the professional tools market.
Some sites have been making projections and comparisons regarding the price of the Mac Pro vs a PC equipped indentically. A fully decked out Mac should come in at around $38,000.00. A currently available Dell workstation equipped basically the same was around $40,000.00 so when it comes to the market that this machine was designed for the Mac Pro will be priced in the same general range.
And we should not be going ballistic over the Mac Pro’s target audience. We should be encouraging Apple to take the basic design and scale it down to cover the hobbyist and prosumer market. Instead of venting your rage in a tech blog comment forum you should be sending your emails to Tim Cook and Apple requesting a machine for your demographic.
And we should not be going ballistic over the Mac Pro’s target audience. We should be encouraging Apple to take the basic design and scale it down to cover the hobbyist and prosumer market. Instead of venting your rage in a tech blog comment forum you should be sending your emails to Tim Cook and Apple requesting a machine for your demographic.
The issue is, that the 2006 - 2012 mac pros were similar powerhouse computers (for their time) that cost lest than 1/2 (adjusted for inflation) than these do.
So yea, while its aimed at people who dont care about the price, the ‘mac pro’ USED to be priced for a much wider audience.
You want see something....got to the HP site and max out the build on a Z8 workstation.....well over 100k
I'm positive Apple's market and customer research includes prominent forums. They would be fools to not take this in, and I know they aren't fools.
The monitor price absolutely makes sense. The entry level computer price is 2x too expensive. I've always fought against the "Apple Tax" myth, but this time, there really is one.
I tried to justify it thinking maybe Apple was valuing their ASIC at thousands of dollars, like the RED Rocket cards. But then I found out it isn't even included!
I agree. Most people complaining about the $999 stand are not the market for the display in the first place.