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Apple Says Notch is a 'Smart Way' to Give Users More Space for Content on New MacBook Pros

canadianreader said:
Apple knows it's controversial since the notch is eating up a portion of the menu bar so first they dropped a last minute rumor about it a day before launch here on macrumors, then they hid it in marketing campaign images and then rushed and paid iJustine to do damage control with happy and positive statements about the notch. It's fugly and people will find creative ways to hide it.
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Is it controversial? Given that I can’t run macOS Monterey on Windows 11. Can I?

A notched MacBook Pro can run Windows 11 and macOS. Plus Android, iOS, and Linux.

A notchless Dell can run Windows 11, Android and Linux.

Or am I mistaken and the M1 macs are somehow limited by the M1 architecture?

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My initial reaction to M1 and the notch was that Apple was somehow limiting new macOS computers.

But instead they seemed to have expanded the MacBook Pro and its capabilities with M1 Pro, the notch, and Monterey.

Or to say, Apple is now more powerful than it was in 2014.

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coolfactor said:
It's big to allow for the future addition of Face ID.

Imagine if they started with a smaller notch and then made it bigger later. Sh*t would really hit the fan then. Having it a consistent size from day one is smarter.
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Apple said they have no plans to add it.
 
newbmacuser2021 said:
Is it controversial? Given that I can’t run macOS Monterey on Windows 11. Can I?

A notched MacBook Pro can run Windows 11 and macOS. Plus Android, iOS, and Linux.

A notchless Dell can run Windows 11, Android and Linux.

Or am I mistaken and the M1 macs are somehow limited by the M1 architecture?

www.macrumors.com

Apple M1 Chip: Everything You Need to Know

Apple in November 2020 released the first Macs with an Arm-based M1 chip, debuting 2020 13-inch MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, and Mac mini models. In...
www.macrumors.com www.macrumors.com
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Dell can run Windows and dozens of Linux and Unix distributions and more "exotic" OSes (for example - real time OSes like QNX, vxWorks etc). MBP can only run MacOS. Everything else is just wet dreams without any official drivers or support. That may be good enough for the desperate Apple aficionados but not for businesses or professionals.
 
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falainber said:
Dell can run Windows and dozens of Linux and Unix distributions and more "exotic" OSes (for example - real time OSes likw QNX, vxWorks etc). MBP can only run MacOS. Everything else is just wet dreams without any official drivers or support. That may be good enough for the desperate Apple aficionados but not for businesses or professionals.
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But it seems like they fixed every M1 issue and now Intel doesn’t matter.

That’s the question…

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x-evil-x said:
There’s a lot of people that hide the menu bar. Now if you hide it and use a full screen anything you’ll see a notch.
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That's not true. When you fullscreen, the top of the screen aligns to the bottom of the notch. So really what this does is give people the fullscreen without them *needing* to hide the menu bar!
 
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All I hear from Apple is excuses. How can Dell do this? Of course if I was gonna get a new computer right now it would most likely be an iMac. These MacBook pros are way overpriced.
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newbmacuser2021 said:
Is it controversial? Given that I can’t run macOS Monterey on Windows 11. Can I?

A notched MacBook Pro can run Windows 11 and macOS. Plus Android, iOS, and Linux.

A notchless Dell can run Windows 11, Android and Linux.

Or am I mistaken and the M1 macs are somehow limited by the M1 architecture?

www.macrumors.com

Apple M1 Chip: Everything You Need to Know

Apple in November 2020 released the first Macs with an Arm-based M1 chip, debuting 2020 13-inch MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, and Mac mini models. In...
www.macrumors.com www.macrumors.com
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I'm not a Windows user but I've seen some running macOS on VMware for Windows with some tweaks or simply running macOS natively on a Hackintosh laptop like a Dell XPS running BigSur with touch screen capabilities.

 
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canadianreader said:
I'm not a Windows user but I've seen some running macOS on VMware for Windows with some tweaks or simply running macOS natively on a Hackintosh laptop like a Dell XPS running BigSur with touch screen capabilities.

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Then they’re equal! :)

Probably the best news I’ve read in a while :)

Thanks!
 
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I always enjoy the mic drop comments. "This is bad design, period." Or whatever. Like some person on a forum is the alpha and omega.

Webcams are basically essential on laptops these days in addition to other sensors for things like True Tone. You either:

1. Keep the existing setup with a bezel at the top. Fine.
2. You position the webcam at the bottom. (Wanna talk about bad design?)
3. You put in a notch and do something with the extra space which happens to dovetail rather nicely with macOS.
4. Or, I guess, get rid of the webcam and sensors.

Until the tech is there to hide the camera and sensors behind the screen or make them so small they fit in a tiny bezel, the above are your options.

I'd rather have the extra screen that just... bezel.
 
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tobybrut said:
Rene Ritchie hypothesizes that Apple is wary about putting Face ID in a Mac because of accidental purchases or authorizations. On an iPhone or iPad you have to double click a button to authorize Face ID but doing that on a Mac is awkward. If you have to double click a button you’re already putting a finger on a key so why not use Touch ID?

i don’t know if he’s right but it’s a logical explanation.
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Assuming what he speculates is what actually happens inside Apple design team, this is easily one of the weaker justification of notch among all Apple devices.

However, Apple could force attention Face ID (no option to turn off) when authenticating and add 1-2s delay (with fancy animations) to make sure user is actually looking at the computer and actually authenticating the purchase or unlocking their Mac. Heck, macOS can also introduce passcode (not password) in conjunction with Face ID.

This would bring another issue though: Apple cannot assume everyone buying a Mac would also have an Apple Watch. Using Face ID and Touch ID is against Apple’s own spirit (see how long Apple is dragging out Touch ID on iPhone that has Face ID despite we are living in a masked world basically forever).

What I do believe is Apple fanboys and loyalists will justify anything Apple is doing, so at least that part is covered Heh.
 
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So then to summarize:

You can run a Dell running macOS running Windows 11 running Android on an iPad Pro using Sidecar.
 
turbineseaplane said:
Are there really people who "love the notch"?
This is amazing to me.. Why?
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It’s not about “loving the notch”. That’s a straw man. The notch, like the one on the iPhone is a compromise to increase screen space while allowing the most camera that will fit in the available volume. I’m sure, if Apple could fit a decent camera under the screen they would but that’s not the tech we have yet. If they are able to bury the camera in the screen and fit the other sensors in somewhere and that allows them to remove the notch they will do so. In the mean time, it’s a reasonable compromise that is not as “hideous” as some will maintain
 
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They should have let Craig answer that question. He's way more eloquent in answering stuff.
 
newbmacuser2021 said:
Then they’re equal! :)

Probably the best news I’ve read in a while :)

Thanks!
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Still the new Macbook Pro is way more powerful than an XPS from Dell though it's possible to mount an external GPU to increase performance. In about a year or two Apple will completely transition to ARM based macOS, kinda x86 hackintosh days are numbered.
 
Tagbert said:
It’s not about “loving the notch”. That’s a straw man. The notch, like the one on the iPhone is a compromise ...[snip]... In the mean time, it’s a reasonable compromise that is not as “hideous” as some will maintain
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I guess it's a sign of the times that it's so difficult for people to see this in terms more nuanced than "love" or "hate". It's okay to just not care that much! Or to be willing to wait and see! Or to appreciate the value of compromise! Jeez.
 
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tobybrut said:
Sure but wouldn’t there be the problem that those utilities would end up showing very little to nothing, reducing the demand for such a utility? I use that utility now and with a sizable chunk of menu bar space taken out at all times, not much info would be left. Maybe it won’t be as bad as I’m imagining it to be. People assume that very little space is ever used in the menu bar and therefore the notch won’t be a problem. I’m used to a crowded menu bar where there’s almost no empty space.

Oh well. I guess we’ll find out Tuesday.
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You may want to look at the Bartender app to manage some of the stuff in the menu bar
 
canadianreader said:
Still the new Macbook Pro is way more powerful than an XPS from Dell though it's possible to mount an external GPU to increase performance. In about a year or two Apple will completely transition to ARM based macOS, kinda x86 hackintosh days are numbered.
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If they support x64 for a few more years, which they have to do because the Mac Pro is still Intel, then it buys enough time to figure it out.
 
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