Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
It still looks bloody awful no matter how they or anyone else tries to spin it. It’s an eyesore. Not everyone likes using dark mode to try and ‘hide’ it either.

When you have to resort to using workarounds via software to try and disguise a hardware design decision then that is bad design. End of story.
Truth. I hate being that guy but this is one thing Steve would have gone mental over.

He got upset about the G3 iMac having a disk tray rather than a slot. If something like that bothered him he sure as hell would have hated the notch.
 
My 2019 16" Macbook Pro screen within the Photoshop (Czech). So where exactly is that extra space for notch?

View attachment 1877394

Easy fix just slide the notch to the right.

notch.jpg
 
Remember when fan boys and girls complained so much about the TOUCHBAR that Apple finally decided to remove it? Yup. That's exactly whats happening here.
 
  • Like
Reactions: bobcomer
My 2019 16" Macbook Pro screen within the Photoshop (Czech). So where exactly is that extra space for notch?

The notch will make the menu bar slightly shorter and split in two. The OS will prevent the applications to use that space, so I guess in your case the menu entries will be reduced or a couple of them will appear to the right of the notch.

The alternative is that you have an entire menu bar, but less vertical screen space since the menu bar would be below the notch and eat into the 16:10 portion of the screen.
 
The notch will make the menu bar slightly shorter and split in two. The OS will prevent the applications to use that space, so I guess in your case the menu entries will be reduced or a couple of them will appear to the right of the notch.

The alternative is that you have an entire menu bar, but less vertical screen space since the menu bar would be below the notch and eat into the 16:10 portion of the screen.
Well, both sound weird and scary. :) But I think that the notch will just hide the menu items and I will have to find them underneath. Fortunately I mostly use the external monitor.
 
  • Wow
Reactions: smoking monkey
Well, both sound weird and scary. :) Fortunately I mostly use the external monitor.

Well, it's a compromise a way or the other. I personally like having more screen available since I often work without external monitor. The practical considerations for me me overshadow the "worse" aesthetics of a split menu bar.
 
Assuming what he speculates is what actually happens inside Apple design team, this is easily one of the weaker justification of notch among all Apple devices.

However, Apple could force attention Face ID (no option to turn off) when authenticating and add 1-2s delay (with fancy animations) to make sure user is actually looking at the computer and actually authenticating the purchase or unlocking their Mac. Heck, macOS can also introduce passcode (not password) in conjunction with Face ID.

This would bring another issue though: Apple cannot assume everyone buying a Mac would also have an Apple Watch. Using Face ID and Touch ID is against Apple’s own spirit (see how long Apple is dragging out Touch ID on iPhone that has Face ID despite we are living in a masked world basically forever).

What I do believe is Apple fanboys and loyalists will justify anything Apple is doing, so at least that part is covered Heh.
It wasn't a justification for a notch. It was a justification for Apple not putting Face ID on any Mac. Those are two different things. No matter what Apple does for purchases on a Mac, it'll be awkward. Most of us are assuming the notch is as wide as it is because Apple plans on putting Face ID sensors in there in the next year or two and doesn't want to change the notch size later. What if Rene is right and Apple never puts Face ID on Macs?

Your idea on attention-required won't work since you're almost always staring at the screen. How does the Mac know if you're intending to authenticate or are simply staring at the screen reading something? This problem is why iPhones, iPads, and Apple Watches all require double presses on a button before authenticating a purchase. Rene has a point. If you're forced to touch a button anyway, Face ID isn't that useful for authenticating purchases. It is very useful for unlocking the Mac. The only thing I can think of is to remove Touch ID on Macs, add Face ID, and require users to hit some key combo. But again, it's awkward. People would then scream that Apple removed Touch ID.

Don't get me wrong. I want Face ID on all Macs. Rene just brought up something I had never thought about, so I figured I'd mention it here in case others hadn't thought of it either. I couldn't think of a reason why Apple hadn't put Face ID on Macs, starting with the M1 24-inch iMacs, but this hypothesis gives me pause.
 
  • Like
Reactions: G5isAlive and MLVC
That's not true. When you fullscreen, the top of the screen aligns to the bottom of the notch. So really what this does is give people the fullscreen without them *needing* to hide the menu bar!
It does? Well at least that’s good news but literally makes the whole space unusable unless you want to deal with the notch and menus bar. Can always turn it black but that still has all that unused space for nothing.
 
I don’t think that will be compatible. Everyone will be looking for a dongle. If you don’t have a dongle… say no to the virtual meetings. You are pretty much screwed.

Imagine how much a dongle will cost. $99?
Yesh like if you turn up to a corporate venue and only have access to ethernet.
If you don’t have a dongle you are pretty much screwed.

Or if a customer gives you a peripheral with USB-A, if you don’t have a dongle you are pretty much screwed.

But I’m used to it, with my iPhone when my bluetooth headphones run out of battery I’m pretty much screwed if i dont have a dongle.

I remember a time when i could just plug things into a laptop without needing a dingle dangle dongle.

Oh happy days where have you gone…….?
 
It does? Well at least that’s good news but literally makes the whole space unusable unless you want to deal with the notch and menus bar. Can always turn it black but that still has all that unused space for nothing.
The notch area is space you never had on a previous MBP. It's now extra space on either side for the menu bar. The area below the notch is the traditional area you'd have for your screen, including the menu bar. It's not perfect, but it's a pretty good way to give us more screen. Notch on phone = rubbish. Notch on MBP = clever. it ain't perfect and it's ugly, but it works.
 
I have No idea. There must be a few that develops obsession on notch or anything Apple comes up with in general.

Not hating it doesn't equal loving it. I don't mind the notch at all, probably won't notice it like I won't notice it on my phone.

That being said, the whole hating it, calling it an atrocity etc. is just as ridiculous as the ones claiming they love it. Nobody here has even touched or seen one of the new MacBook Pro's.
 
  • Like
Reactions: G5isAlive
The notch does not bother me, but it is true that, in this model, it makes no sense, not having FaceID. I assume that the next update will have it, but so far we do not find it, so it is even more shocking if possible.

In iMacs I do not think we will see them, they have larger bezels and, having the chin, I do not think they will leave chin and notch, although being Apple, anything could happen ???.
 
Something seems off when looking at that taskbar / notch design. Taskbar is too massive in relation to the camera bump. Sure, you could call it a notch as well. And tell everybody its an advantage. Design wise, thats not just how Apple would have solved the problem. It rather feels like a last minute design decision.

Why isn't taskbar notch seamlessly integrated into another? Why is there no desktop/taskbar background that supports that idea? This thing is not ready for prime time. Apple as I used to know it, would have found a way to make it just right.
 
Shame they didn’t make any use of the massive chin. They deleted the tacky MacBook Pro text but just left it blank. Why not also grow the display down? Or did I just leak the plans for MBP2023?
It wasn’t tacky at all.
Hopefully they’ll bring it back again.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jon9091
One of my issues with the notch on the laptop is that, regardless of how good mini LED is, it won't disappear into the background in the same way that the iPhone notch disappears on the OLED displays.
 
  • Like
Reactions: bobcomer
So if I use Sidecar on this MacBook Pro 2021, running Parallels, running Windows 11, running Android apps…

Can I run Android apps on my iPad using a USB-C cable?


You should be careful until someone has testet it.

Parallels only supports Windows for ARM and it isn't officially supported by Microsoft. There is also no simple way of buying a license for Windows for ARM. You have be part of the Insider program (or something) and download it from through that program.
 
  • Like
Reactions: newbmacuser2021
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.