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Or even just have a popup webcam on the outside of the display that pulls up to reveal the webcam or slides down out of view.

It's a great point re: webcams

I'm actually surprised they've never offered that as an option (or not). Many folks have business use cases where webcams simply aren't allowed. I never - NEVER -use webcams and would definitely opt for a machine without if given the choice
 
They should really give the end users the choice to remove it by moving the menu bar below it and see how many opt to do so. Try using say Fantastical which notes upcoming meetings in the menu bar and loading up bluetooth, sound, time, airplay, and a few other widgets to the right and the notch is now in the way. Apple’s design choices of late just seem bulky and mishmosh. And “seamless” does anyone think the notch is seamless BTW. And why if is just a camera is it so wide. The explanation is that there are other items there makes no sense and if it is being setup for FaceID later isn’t TouchID good enough. On a phone the notch works, but a phone doesn’t have a menu bar, the design principles just are not the same.
 
With their so far still unsuccessful image spying attempt, Apple could still talk their way out with higher instructions, but the notch is now really a pathetic attempt to divide the loyal Apple community once again. Bad idea, Apple.
Somewhere we all need more space, come hell or high water.

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My guess is there will be a way to turn the notch off, and in a year we’ll ready a survey showing that something like 10% of MacBook Pro users turned the notch off…
 
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Smart will be when the notch is replaced by an under screen camera or some sort of dual pixel technology.
Yes, while the notch is shirt-sleeved marketing pushiness, the other idea would be really fantastically innovative. Unfortunately, however, this is currently a very difficult idea to solve technically. But I also hope for it.
 
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It's a great point re: webcams

I'm actually surprised they've never offered that as an option (or not). Many folks have business use cases where webcams simply aren't allowed. I never - NEVER -use webcams and would definitely opt for a machine without if given the choice
The notch doesn't bother me but I rarely use a webcam. Count me in as another that would opt for a MacBook Pro without a webcam/notch if given a choice…even if it was the same price.

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The notch on the newly redesigned MacBook Pro offers a "smart way" to give users more room for their content and allowed Apple to make the bezels thinner and provide more screen real-estate to customers, an Apple official has said during a recent media interview.

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The inclusion of a notch on the entirely revamped MacBook Pros was a surprise and was one of the few last-minute rumors that surfaced ahead of Apple's "Unleashed" event last week. As expected, some social media users have criticized Apple's design choice for adding a notch to the display.

Addressing the company's decision, Shruti Haldea, a manager for the Mac Product Line and one of the presenters of last week's Apple event, said during an interview on the Same Brain podcast that the notch offers a "smart" solution to the Mac as it provides users more room for their content.

Compared to previous iterations of the MacBook Pro design, the new 14-inch and 16-inch models do feature significantly smaller bezels. Apple says the bezels are 24% thinner than the previous generation on the left and right sides of the display, measuring only 3.5mm. On the top, thanks to the notch, the bezel is 60% thinner, also measuring at 3.5mm.

While the notch is noticeable at first, Apple is betting on some macOS software features, including dark mode, to help minimize its influence on some users in day-to-day use. For example, when macOS apps are in full-screen mode, the system adds a black border to the top of the display, hiding the notch while not interfering in a user's content. Developers can choose to have their app's content shown on either side of the notch.

The notch is one aspect of a plethora of changes the new MacBook Pros include. The new laptops feature an entirely redesigned chassis, additional ports such as HDMI, an SD-card slot, MagSafe, a mini-LED display with ProMotion, and either the M1 Pro or M1 Max chips, the first Apple silicon chips designed for professional consumers.

Both 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models became available for pre-order last week and will start arriving at customers on Tuesday, October 26. Both sizes can be configured with either the M1 Pro or M1 Max chips, giving users substantial performance gains compared to the M1 Apple silicon chip. Learn more about the new MacBook Pros using our detailed roundup.

Article Link: Apple Says Notch is a 'Smart Way' to Give Users More Space for Content on New MacBook Pros
Another scoop for that master journalist, iJustine!!
 
It is a smart solution, however the notch seems oddly wide. As if it leaves room for Face ID in a future iteration.
 
I just started watching the YouTube video. Super cringy.

iJustine needs to lower the enthusiasm a few notches. Can you imagine dating her?
It's marketing and at this point damage control. Apple will lose customers over this, but they'll be fine in the market they're targeting. And of course iJustine is enthusiastic over anything Apple does, that's her job and she's making money with it. So there's really nothing new here, we'll get more of these videos on YouTube from people making money with Apple.
 
I just started watching the YouTube video. Super cringy.

iJustine needs to lower the enthusiasm a few notches. Can you imagine dating her?
never
But I am sure that many young men find such a collection of young girls quite nice. And that's how she earns a lot of money. And even Tim used her talking.
For those who have known Apple for a long time, this is an amazing adaptation to a customer base that actually hasn't changed that cringy.
 
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Doing this without notch would be way smarter though

Well then we would have had a top bezel equal to the thickness of the notch and everyone would be bitching about "OMG! The bezels are so thick!"

They could have gone the ridiculous Lenovo way and put the webcam in the chin.

Same with Dell and the XPS - we have a handful of XPS 15 at work and you can tell on a team call who is using them because the image quality is poorer and we're looking at their chins. :p

Dell did that on the XPS13 -- it's been "fixed" since.

Good to hear.

The notch is big for no reasons.

It's the size it is to accommodate the stuff behind it - camera, light sensor, TrueTone sensor, etc.

how is this smart with the menu bar having 2X the height of its original size?? c'mon...

If it was thinner than the notch part of the center of program windows would be hidden behind it.
 
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