Doctors wore the same protective garments during the H1N1 pandemic in the U.S. in 2009. When 13,000 Americans died and 60 million became infected.
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Doctors wore the same protective garments during the H1N1 pandemic in the U.S. in 2009. When 13,000 Americans died and 60 million became infected.
We've learned our lessons from past pandemics and that's what we're trying to avoid this time. There's a lot of really smart people out there who have all the facts and information, and they're not making any of these decisions lightly. Do you really think they'd kick the economy firmly in the balls for no good reason?
If you know anything about Italy, you would know two things: 1. The population is aging. There are many, many elderly in Italy. The average age of the deceased in Italy, due to COVID-19, is 79 years old. 2. Many Italians smoke. Italy has the highest per capita smoking rate in ALL of Western Europe.
The government is acting on real data here. You only need to look at what is happening in Italy to know this isn't just fear mongering. Yes the majority of people (i.e those who are young and healthy) will only develop minor cold like symptoms and will recover on their own. The measures being put in place aren't to protect them, it's to protect the people this virus will kill and preventing our health care systems from being completely overwhelmed.
Also, Italy has issues with obesity. Being in the Obese category is showing in the data as a risk factor.
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No one is wearing a ****ing hazmat suit when the patient has a common cold.
But to dig a little deeper: comparing COVID-19 and H1N1 doesn't make much sense, as explained here (which talks more about the response of the respective presidents than the actual medical stuff but has some summary): https://slate.com/technology/2020/03/trump-coronavirus-obama-h1n1-swine-flu.html
But sure. It's all a ****ing conspiracy, perpetrated by every ****ing government on the planet, and all those ****ers who are dead, are paid actors who know how to lay real still for a long ****ing time.
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According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_rate, the US has an obesity rate nearly double that of Italy.
A lot of people don't seem to be able to both stay calm and accept it's going to be a torrid year. Seems people need to reassure themselves by chattering about how it's all an overreaction/ conspiracy/ it'll be over by summer. It's not helpful to try and create/ spread this narrative. While not panicking is essential, underestimating this and failing to be responsibly prepared is also going to do no one any good.
Somewhat depends. An NFL football player might fit into "Morbidly Obese" category, but be able to run a couple of miles easily. But, for others without good lung function this is a respiratory disease so it could be devastating.
Wow, you are being ignorant of facts and not paying attention to what is happening in Italy. Doctors are having to choice which patients they save because they don't have enough resources to accommodate everyone. That is why business are closing, to slow the spread to not overburden the hospitals. Please wake up people! This is serious.
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I truly hope so before many die. If someone close to you dies of corona I’m sure your outlook would change. I hope it doesn’t take that for you to change
To everyone mentioning the flu: if you bother to do some basic math, you’ll discover why this is much more serious. Look at the R nought, the fatality rate, and how it is transmitted (even on surfaces). Do some basic math and you’ll see that without these precautions the number of cases would spike exponentially and make the Spanish Flu of 1918 look like a minor cold.
That sounds great until you run out of hospital beds.
This country has roughly 925,000 hospital beds. If 1.5 million get very sick and require these beds? And the number will be higher. What happens? Lots of chaos and death. That’s the answer
Almost half yeah.
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Also keep in mind that severe cases will require use of a ventilator, which means use of an ICU bed. There are only ~45,000 ICU beds in the US, and keep in mind that all the hospital beds in America aren't empty at the moment waiting for this pandemic. All the usual stuff requiring a hospital bed isn't going to stop.
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Say that with confidence if one of your friends or family with a pre-existing condition dies from this virus.
This makes far more sense to me than their original timeline. It was almost as if they had a crystal ball or forecast office telling them when the issue would be over.
Hey let’s give credit where it‘s due. Doubling down on ignorance and and conspiracy theories, common sense and medical experts be damned. They will not be stopped. Good to know so we can weed these people out. I’m sure the sports leagues, where money rules everything, love losing tens-of-millions every day they aren’t in action because of a “media hoax.”
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Regular hospital beds are the easier part. ICU beds much harder to come by now. Let alone if there is a massive influx of critically ill patients. There are around 100000 ICU beds. Add in 200000 extremely ill patients that require several weeks of acute care. Chaos and death.
Ask Italy about it.
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13000 is a small number out of 60 million. Try 60 million sick and over a million dead. This is how serious Covid 19 is.
I work for my state and work in closed locked units. We just had a meeting with management or the CDC. They stressed that this is just starting to ramp up.
Locking everything down indefinitely is not a feasible long term plan but it checks the 'I did something' box.