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Yes, but if we accept Apple's arguments about the iPhone, the Mac really should be like that also.
Obviously that would be ridiculous for the Mac. But I don't think it would be a disaster for the iPhone - we'll all soon find out when the changes go live in the EU.
App developers could be "happy" with zero fees but they "tolerate" the App Store fees and put up with them because iOS is too big of a market to walk away from and there's no alternative ways (except maybe in the EU) to access that major segment of the market.
One again, it’s not about smartphone manufacturers it’s about mobile operating systems and there only two major players (Android and iOS) in that market.
Except that’s exactly what it is. Apple is a drop in the bucket compared to all that’s out there even though in an individual model basis it sells well.
There should be a survey to see how many iOS users really value the walled garden model as opposed to not caring or outright disliking it.
I literally posted a link? And I specifically said "phone vendor". Nice try twisting my words thoughWhere did you get the info that iOS is dominant?
Mobile Operating System Market Share Europe | Statcounter Global Stats
This graph shows the market share of mobile operating systems in Europe based on over 5 billion monthly page views.gs.statcounter.com
Mobile Operating Systems Percentage Market Share Mobile Operating System Market Share in Europe - January 2024 Android 66.09% iOS 33.42% Samsung 0.43%
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I did not say nor imply that you can only run games on consoles. But they are primarily gaming consoles.
I think users have already voted with their wallets. I don't know anyone who would spend $1000+ on products they outright dislike.
That's why we say "duopoly"
This is the first time I've seen anyone use duopoly in this thread.
So if you buy something that automatically means you like every part of it? it is not possible to buy something while thinking there are bad parts in it? That's interesting take
Personally i bought a designer lamp sometime ago but i thought i disliked how the bulbs show instead of the light being evenly spread, but i guess i actually don't dislike that because i did buy the lamp so that means i like every part of it.
Where did I say that buyers automatically likes every part of it???
If having a walled garden were such a huge deterrent for them, why would they buy it?
If the lamp sucks so badly, are you stupid enough to go out and buy the next updated model that didn't change bulb design?
Where did i say walled garden was a huge deterrent?
Samplasion said:
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This only makes sense if:
1. You think buying a product means you like every part of it, so an iPhone purchase means support for walled garden.
2. You personally know every iPhone purchaser in EU and can say everyone likes walled garden.
And sorry but you do not know me and i did not buy my iPhone due to the walled garden.
That reply works to the people saying "if you dont like walled garden then dont buy an iphone" just as well.
So you agree that the "if you dislike walled garden then dont buy iphones" argument is bad, that's nice to hear
i'm gonna try to explain my point once more and if you still dont get it it's best to to stop.
Samplasion said:
You replied with:
My point is people who dislike or dont care about the walled garden still buy iphones, because the walled garden is simply one part of the product.
I never said people who dislike the walled garden enough to not buy iPhones still buy iPhones, that would be silly.
Samplasion said:
If you read his message slowly and with thought you might notice he wants to know how many people VALUE the walled garden instead of NOT CARING or DISLIKING it.
You replied with:
This implies that no people who dislike or simply don't care about the walled garden buy iphones, every iphone purchase is a vote for the walled garden.
My point is people who dislike or dont care about the walled garden still buy iphones, because the walled garden is simply one part of the product.
I never said people who dislike the walled garden enough to not buy iPhones still buy iPhones, that would be silly.
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Well, purchases of iPhones up until now certainly hasn't been a vote for the Android approach of multiple app stores and side loading. Are you getting yet?
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Don't use the things the DMA offers you, don't use a different browser, don't use a third party app store, don't sideload any app. All issues for you are the results of Apple's inability for create a secure device. And since Apple is your Lord you have to live with Apple's decision.