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Why does there need to be an alternative?

There is an alternative, it's called building your app as a web app.

The App Store was never originally going to exist, the iPhone is designed to be able to run web apps quickly.

You can pin a webpage to the home screen as a web app - this is how it was originally designed to work.

The App Store was added very late in development, if I recall even after the original iPhone's release.
 
Plot twist: There's only two or three chains of bars that sell drinks in the whole country.


7% on average, in the US.*
Seems fair enough.

* I googled it up couple of days ago
I am pretty sure It varies worldwide and I guess in us aswell

as for bars epic clearly wants its own bar so do it and if you must develop a whole thing(I personally am not in the market for an epic phone but...) but I don’t think that’s the problem...
 
I think what the real issue Epic is trying to show is, if an app were to cost $0.99 to purchase, Apple gets $0.31 and the dev gets the rest.

Ok that's cool and all, but forcing purchases for extra items from within a game hurts the dev since they have to go through Apple payments. Apple takes 30% of those transactions and the dev gets what's left.

Ok, you host the app in your store, you can have 30% of the sale of the app and that is what the host should get, they shouldn't have to hand over 30% of in game transactions to any host as they hosted the purchase of the initial product, anything else inside the app should be directly to the dev.

It's double dipping. "Because we allowed the game on our stores but the servers for play are elsewhere, and development happens outside of Apple, we should get 30% of EVERY transaction cause we only allow payments through our payment method, yours is not allowed as we wouldn't be able to get that additional residual income on all future in game purchases.

Now you see why Apple is a trillion dollar company, they know how to con people very well, and now someone is calling them out on their practices which makes them the bad guy....

I'm not an Epic fan, wouldn't matter who was fighting Apple, I see what they mean and I get why they're fighting for a change.
Not all games use servers though
 
Apple didn’t even originally want the App Store. True adherents to the intended Apple way use a one-handed screen with only stock Apple apps and web apps! We know this is true because Apple said it before! Why should they change? Why should anyone change?
It’s not about should...
It’s about how...
Great minds work on the rules and guidelines but great as they maybe they can’t foresee everything...
I’d argue that Apple should start with exceptions to the guidelines they should be available under certain standards and conditions
Epic clearly has this elaborate plan all spread out but I find it hard to believe a rich company can’t do business
Look at what they allegedly wanna do it’s been done before granted not on iOS but epic claim google is not letting them be either...(somehow I doubt Amazon chose the same route when it started)
No I fear epic is set on doing it so Apple is like everyone else
 
I love to see Apple fans support anti-competiveness. That kind of support is why we still have flash, after all, so it fits right into Apple's forward thinking ideals in an inverse way.

Imagine where the internet would be today if Internet Explorer hadn't dominated browsers, being the last to adopt new standards, keeping HTML5 and the like as novelties for far too long. Imagine where gaming could go without Apple clawing it back.

Tim Cook's Apple will always favor profit over innovation, even if it means fighting tooth-and-nail against the latter. He's turning Apple into the Microsoft of the next decade. A profitable company, but a leader in nothing.
 
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There is an alternative, it's called building your app as a web app.

The App Store was never originally going to exist, the iPhone is designed to be able to run web apps quickly.

You can pin a webpage to the home screen as a web app - this is how it was originally designed to work.

The App Store was added very late in development, if I recall even after the original iPhone's release.
Just another thing Apple dictates, the browser engines and search providers. It’s also something that needs to be fixed by laws and freed.
 
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I love to see Apple fans support anti-competiveness. That kind of support is why we still have flash, after all, so it fits right into Apple's forward thinking ideals in an inverse way.

Imagine where the internet would be today if Internet Explorer hadn't dominated browsers. Imagine where gaming could go without Apple clawing it back.

This one went over my head and I'm curious about it. Flash is dead and Google Chrome is the dominant browser and IE is replaced with Edge which uses Google's Chromium project which is a fork of Apple's WebKit which itself forked from KDE's Konqueror browser. Curiously Firefox, which is the long winded descendant of Netscape's code base, is struggling. Who would have expected in the 1990's that Microsoft would ship a browser derived from Linux code?

I can't even imagine where gaming could go without Apple clawing it back, given the above it sounds like it could come all the way back to the Mac in a crazy unified hardware ecosystem where games work seamlessly on mobile devices and desktop. But that doesn't sound like the troll answer to the question.


Just another thing Apple dictates, the browser engines and search providers. It’s also something that needs to be fixed by laws and freed.

The market provides an alternative that allows any browser engine or search provider you could wish to use. If no-one in the market with a significant marketshare offered that as an option then I could see the need to legislate it but there is a platform that has those features. Curiously both Apple and Google use those same features, or lack thereof, as their own platform advantages and differentiators. It's almost like both companies have different ideologies and apply those distinct approaches to their products.
 
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I love to see Apple fans support anti-competiveness. That kind of support is why we still have flash, after all, so it fits right into Apple's forward thinking ideals in an inverse way.

Imagine where the internet would be today if Internet Explorer hadn't dominated browsers, being the last to adopt new standards, keeping HTML5 and the like as novelties for far too long. Imagine where gaming could go without Apple clawing it back.

Tim Cook's Apple will always favor profit over innovation, even if it means fighting tooth-and-nail against the latter. He's turning Apple into the Microsoft of the next decade. A profitable company, but a leader in nothing.

Out with the Chief Operations Officer!

I can assure you that the outcome of antitrust lawsuit filed by EPIC won't bode well for Apple. The allegation of supracompetitive pricing with restrictions regarding third-party payment for subscription and in-app purchases on the app store policy will completely merit tons of guiltiness on Tim Cook and Apple.
 
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Exactly, they are a significant amount of people who failed to grasp that the policy on the app store implemented by Apple is indeed violating the antitrust law with no optional way for the developer and the customer to use third party payment method for buying a subscription or in-app purchases.
Develop a web app and you can circumvent any restriction Apple put on the App Store all you want. You can also advertise to your users that your app is only available to side load on Android. If you want to use the App Store, then it’s your decision to agree with the policies. If you think your product is so superior, then ditch iOS users. If your product was truly superior, users will follow you and buy a different phone.
 
Develop a web app and you can circumvent any restriction Apple put on the App Store all you want. You can also advertise to your users that your app is only available to side load on Android. If you want to use the App Store, then it’s your decision to agree with the policies. If you think your product is so superior, then ditch iOS users. If your product was truly superior, users will follow you and buy a different phone.
There are a lot of limitations with a web app compared to a native app.

For one, you must be connected to the internet for it to work. No browser notifications (and this is Apple not allowing this) is another.

Stop comparing web apps to native apps.

And what about Amazon? Why can’t Epic have their own payment processing system in their app but Amazon can? That is discrimination.
 
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I love to see Apple fans support anti-competiveness. That kind of support is why we still have flash, after all, so it fits right into Apple's forward thinking ideals in an inverse way.
Most likely pseudo techies and stock holders....they care two hoots about competition or collaboration. It has been always revenues, bottom lines, cut, commissions, profit....et al all synonymous to accounting than technology
 
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Seeing people being against Apple cut their share from 30% to 15% is insane to me. Who would protectic a multi billion dollar company that does tax evasion because you get turned on by grey aluminum. I'm flappergast.
Shareholders never like the idea of reduced ernings
 
Epic gives away free games weekly ranging from $15-$60. 🤷🏻‍♂️

hmm. Decent games? To a select few? On which platform and store?

let me know if this is consistent and for several years. Así let me know when you have proof that the developers are getting paid for the giveaways of each game.
 
I advise you not to get fooled by some of the users such as i7guy in the thread who naively think other brands of the store can be comparable in violating antitrust law.

APPLE is a lot more troublesome with no other alternative app store and forced the developer to pay 30% fees by restricting it from using third party payment methods for purchasing subscriptions or in-app purchases.

It’s always been 30%, from the beginning.
 
Actually industry norm would be the higher volume you do, the cheaper it gets.

See any provider of cloud resources, it gets cheaper per unit the more you buy.

My proposal would support the startups and individual contributors a lot better. Epic is not using a service more. They're making more profit. If what you're proposing would be applied to taxes, the richer you get, the less taxes you'd pay and all the janitors and garbage collectors would pay a 45% tax? Doesn't sound right to me... Service providers of cloud resources also often offer a free/very cheap tier for startups and individual contributors.
 
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Another "they can just do what they want"

No, they can't just do what they want and just in case you missed it, Apple was recently in front of Congress for these very reasons. Stop the insane defending, it's quite gross.

It didn't say 'whatever' Apple wanted.

Apple charges 30%.

Epic don't want to pay it.

Nice and clear for you.

Corporations don't like giving other corporations money. Newsflash. Then set up your own store and charge what you like.

If they don't like the 30% go to another supplier.

Azrael.
 
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Any day now, one of you keepers of the braintrust are going to suggest suing Ford because GM parts don't fit Ford vehicles. How outrageous! :rolleyes:

Apple's competition for the iOS app store is called Android and the Google Play store.

Mark
Yay, more stupid analogies! You can buy parts from multiple companies for any car 🙄
 
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It didn't say 'whatever' Apple wanted.

Apple charges 30%.

Epic don't want to pay it.

Nice and clear for you.

Corporations don't like giving other corporations money. Newsflash. Then set up your own store and charge what you like.

If they don't like the 30% go to another supplier.

Azrael.
You and others have very CLEARLY said it's their store and they can do what they want, now you're just lying. And it's not JUST epic that has a problem with this, other developers do but have been afraid to speak and we can see why and now Congress is looking at them. To say otherwise is just lying.🙄
 
My proposal would support the startups and individual contributors a lot better. Epic is not using a service more. They're making more profit. If what you're proposing would be applied to taxes, the richer you get, the less taxes you'd pay and all the janitors and garbage collectors would pay a 45% tax? Doesn't sound right to me... Service providers of cloud resources also often offer a free/very cheap tier for startups and individual contributors.
The people with real money pay no taxes at all, but that’s not the discussion.

I think the comparisson is flawed. The apple cut is not intended to improve conditions for all the developers, big or small, the apple cut is intended to profit apple. I’m not against that, apple set up iOS and the whole environment. I just hope apple and the developers can find some middle ground so that everyone is happy again.
 
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