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Apple Seeds Fifth Beta of iOS 10 to Developers [Update: Also Available for Public Beta Testers]

New lock sound is not finished, clearly.. lock your device but place it next to your ear. Major hiss after the effect for a couple seconds before fading. They'll clean that up if they end up using the sound in the finished product.
 
Man, I really hope Apple changes the notifications back to where you could clear an entire group at once. Notifications take to long now, especially if you have a lot.
 
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rdlink said:
Your statement makes an assumption that's not true. Hundreds of millions of people use Messages on their iOS devices and Macs. And there is no way that Apple is ever going cross platform with it. Why would they give up one of the main draws to their hardware?

FYI: I have a friend who is a total Android geek. He recently, within the last 5 months or so started using an iPhone in addition to his Nexus. He is not shy at all about criticizing iOS, but one of the things he told me the other day was that the thing he really misses when he's using his Android is Messages.
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This is what I've heard... take it with a grain of salt, or believe it fully like I do, but there is a HUGE reason why Apple should (and will) port iMessage to Android. Apple Pay. There's supposedly going to be Apple Pay integration with iMessage which will allow you to be able to send money to friends and whatnot, and the potential for Apple to make a ton of money from Android users using Apple Pay with iMessage is incredibly more attractive than having iMessage be an Apple exclusive.
 
I like the output selector in the Music pane in Control Center. I do wish that iOS was capable of playing something to two AirPlay devices simultaneously, though.
 
Beta 5 breaks Good for Enterprise. So whoever uses this for his/her corporate emails, should probably not update at this stage. It works fine up to beta 4.
 
Firewolve said:
Beta 5 breaks Good for Enterprise. So whoever uses this for his/her corporate emails, should probably not update at this stage. It works fine up to beta 4.
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Ugh. Really? A reset or hard restart don't work? This is deal breaker for me as I'll then stay with PB4.
 
Johnny907 said:
You have to hard press down on the Home button. When it fails to identify your fingerprint, it brings up the Passcode screen. It's not that much different, but annoying to me as like I said, swiping to unlock is muscle memory after it being this way since the original iPhone.
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I understand muscle memory, but the new method is actually more efficient. Shouldn't take more than a couple of days of heavy use to adjust the muscle memory.
 
PinheadX said:
This is what I've heard... take it with a grain of salt, or believe it fully like I do, but there is a HUGE reason why Apple should (and will) port iMessage to Android. Apple Pay. There's supposedly going to be Apple Pay integration with iMessage which will allow you to be able to send money to friends and whatnot, and the potential for Apple to make a ton of money from Android users using Apple Pay with iMessage is incredibly more attractive than having iMessage be an Apple exclusive.
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We'll see, I suppose. But I will take the salt. If they port Messages over to Android for purposes of Apple Pay they would not only lose one good reason to sell hardware, but two. Apple develops services and software to sell hardware.
 
HJM.NL said:
As I said before... When you don't live in the US 9 out of 10 users are on android. Propably even more. So as much as I like messages it's useless unless you'll use it as sms.
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I live in Canada, and it's not 9/10 on Android.
 
rdlink said:
We'll see, I suppose. But I will take the salt. If they port Messages over to Android for purposes of Apple Pay they would not only lose one good reason to sell hardware, but two. Apple develops services and software to sell hardware.
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But they're not selling as much hardware, at least not recently. iPhone sales have dropped off. If they had Apple Pay working on all Android phones, and were making money off each transaction, that'd be a hell of a lot more money than they'll make in sales of Apple hardware. Like in Superman 3. :D
 
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Beta 5 breaks Good for Enterprise. So whoever uses this for his/her corporate emails, should probably not update at this stage. It works fine up to beta 4.
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Is everyone finding this to be the case? That is one of the reasons why I have not updated to ios10 because I was worried about it not working with Good which I use with work....
 
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Is everyone finding this to be the case? That is one of the reasons why I have not updated to ios10 because I was worried about it not working with Good which I use with work....
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Seems to be a common problem, yes. As I said, worked fine until today - just beta 5 broke it.
 
kepgnar said:
I understand muscle memory, but the new method is actually more efficient. Shouldn't take more than a couple of days of heavy use to adjust the muscle memory.
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It's been a week, still not used to it, still annoys me just as much everytime I try to unlock my phone without thinking. Undoing 8 years of muscle memory is going to take longer than "a couple days."
 
PinheadX said:
But they're not selling as much hardware, at least not recently. iPhone sales have dropped off. If they had Apple Pay working on all Android phones, and were making money off each transaction, that'd be a hell of a lot more money than they'll make in sales of Apple hardware. Like in Superman 3. :D
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We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. ~$40 billion in revenue in a quarter is just fine. Especially for a tock year. They make a heckuva lot more profit off of their hardware than they'll ever make off of Apple Pay.
 
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Is everyone finding this to be the case? That is one of the reasons why I have not updated to ios10 because I was worried about it not working with Good which I use with work....
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We use Airwatch, and the Airwatch app kept un-enrolling devices. We found that if you remove the Airwatch app before upgrading (the profiles that make Airwatch work stay on the phone) everything is fine. Barring that, if you enroll in Airwatch from the browser without the Airwatch Agent app on the phone all is good. Not sure how, exactly Good works on the phone, but just in case that helps.
 
rdlink said:
Interesting. So do they still charge for SMS in Europe? I haven't seen a metered SMS plan in the US in years.
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gaximus said:
My argument wasn't that iMessages is more or less popular, just that it isn't a few people using. If you want to text on an iPhone without downloading an app and having your friend download an app, then you use iMessages, which is cross platform messenger, as it uses SMS. You won't get all the cool stuff but it is a cross platform messenger.
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I get what you're saying. I'm not saying the app restricts you from messaging with people who don't have iPhones. My point is that for people who live in countries where SMS are still expensive (which is most), using iMessage doesn't make economic sense, which explains, I think, in part, why WhatsApp surged in popularity, and why people don't use iMessage (pretty much everywhere except US/Canada/parts of Europe) as their primary message app even though there's plenty of iPhones around.
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JarScott said:
The new lock sound is WEIRD.
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I really do love the new keystroke sounds. The new lock sound, not so much...
 
lucasrant said:
I get what you're saying. I'm not saying the app restricts you from messaging with people who don't have iPhones. My point is that for people who live in countries where SMS are still expensive (which is most), using iMessage doesn't make economic sense, which explains, I think, in part, why WhatsApp surged in popularity, and why people don't use iMessage (pretty much everywhere except US/Canada/parts of Europe) as their primary message app even though there's plenty of iPhones around.
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I really do love the new keystroke sounds. The new lock sound, not so much...
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That's what I was asking. I'm astounded that anyone still meters SMS anymore.
 
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