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The whole purpose off High Sierra was to fine tune Sierra. It is/was supposed to be a "snow leopard" type release... but has fallen short of that dream.

Your right. Apple has fallen way short in the software quality assurance department. With the security vulnerabilities, it seems like it is only a matter of time before something really bad happens. Apple has lost their mojo with their software and it has been doing sharply downhill over the last couple of years.
 
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No, it wasn't. It's a brand new file system ... the biggest change to OS X since it was first debuted.

Apparently Apple doesn't consider a new filesystem a big change. Hell, APFS came out for iOS on an iOS 10.x point release, rather than wait until iOS 11. Kind of scary when you think of it.
 
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I would say that High Sierra, Sierra and El Capitan are not "new OS" but rather minor updates (which is really disappointing). New Safari update with an ad-blocker isn't really what my concept of a major update / new OS is.

Umm, there is no new Safari update with ad-blocker either. The tracking protection they've added to Safari isn't an ad-blocker.

NightShift was a really good addition, I use it a lot. The improved Notes app is a huge improvement, I've used it daily and sharing it with other folks works well.
How long will it take them to fix Command-B not working for BOLD in the MAIL program?

How many times to I have to file the bug? Command-B clearly works here, but not correctly in MAIL?

And every new update still confuses mail servers in the MAIL program requiring remembering passwords and such. Isn't the Keychain supposed to make this not happen?

Btw, Command B hasn't worked since Sierra.

I know someone is going to say, c'mon, it's your keyboard, but it's not as I see the flash at the top of the screen showing the key was hit, not to mention I've tried multiple keyboards with the same result. How can they not fix something so simple? Do I type too fast for Apple?

It makes me seriously wonder if they know what they're doing or there's just not enough people working on this. :(

Works fine for me. GIF of me doing this in Mail on High Sierra Mail: https://d.pr/i/XYUt5e/L8MB3W4cKc

I've never had any issues with passwords either, it synced just fine when updating to HS from Sierra with my Fastmail and Google accounts.

However, I agree with the disappointment. Windows 10 has gotten more feature updates in the past year alone than macOS via its Insider builds that I'm using. The text suggestion while I type in the last Insider build very nice.


I'm hoping that most of these bugs are simply attributed to High Sierra being a brand new file system and that the next iteration will be a lot better. But the pattern over the last few years has been that Apple has just lost the ball on quality control lately.

Nope, most of them have nothing to do with APFS. The security bugs over the past few months were due to mistakes or lack of proper code review.

I could agree with that Apple may have spent nearly all of its focus on APFS for iOS and macOS. Now that it is done, we could expect QA to be higher than usual in this year's releases but I am not raising my hopes up for that. If that is the case, it is not acceptable and they should've switch to 2-3 year cycle instead of annual releases.
 
How long will it take them to fix Command-B not working for BOLD in the MAIL program?

How many times to I have to file the bug? Command-B clearly works here, but not correctly in MAIL?

And every new update still confuses mail servers in the MAIL program requiring remembering passwords and such. Isn't the Keychain supposed to make this not happen?

Btw, Command B hasn't worked since Sierra.

I know someone is going to say, c'mon, it's your keyboard, but it's not as I see the flash at the top of the screen showing the key was hit, not to mention I've tried multiple keyboards with the same result. How can they not fix something so simple? Do I type too fast for Apple?

It makes me seriously wonder if they know what they're doing or there's just not enough people working on this. :(

I just tried pressing cmd+B it in a new mail message and it works fine? Is this not the expected behaviour? I'm on 10.3.2

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Perhaps instead of adding annoying pop ups requesting a credit card added for Apple Pay (Nobody trusts Apple Pay) focus on fixing the bugs. I was left with no GPS and unable to restart the iPhone in the middle of nowhere !!!
 
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I just tried pressing cmd+B it in a new mail message and it works fine? Is this not the expected behaviour? I'm on 10.3.2

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I'm on 10.3.3. It comes and goes. It's like a 50/50 crap shoot when it's going to work or not. Since I only notice this in MAIL and not here or word processing, other programs, it has to be the MAIL program. I must type too fast for it. There's definitely something wrong.

And another thing... Even with all the memory I have, 40GB, why should I ever get a spinning beachball in the MAIL program? This might have something to do with the Command-B issue.
 
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IMHO, Apple should switch to an unified OS across all platforms. Simply call it "Apple OS", then carve out updates for Mac, iPhone/iPad/iPod/Watch/TV, so all are on the same version and get updated simultaneously.

Does this mean macOS becomes iOS? No. Apple OS on the Mac will retain the current Macintosh full desktop UI, and Apple OS on mobile devices will remain the same. The underlying code can be the same as is, just the naming changed so it's easier. Definitely less complicated than macOS/iOS/tvOS/watchOS.
 
Umm, there is no new Safari update with ad-blocker either. The tracking protection they've added to Safari isn't an ad-blocker.

NightShift was a really good addition, I use it a lot. The improved Notes app is a huge improvement, I've used it daily and sharing it with other folks works well.

NightShift was released with a minor update. The Notes app could be "huge improvement", but still doesn't make the macOS being "new". I love Apple, but we have to admit that the latest releases of macOS are disappointment, especially given the fact how many new features Windows receives.
 
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I'm on 10.3.3. It comes and goes. It's like a 50/50 crap shoot when it's going to work or not. Since I only notice this in MAIL and not here or word processing, other programs, it has to be the MAIL program. I must type too fast for it. There's definitely something wrong.

And another thing... Even with all the memory I have, 40GB, why should I ever get a spinning beachball in the MAIL program? This might have something to do with the Command-B issue.

U might be trying to reply text-only emails ... try to check whether you are in RTF or text-only mode.
 
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IMHO, Apple should switch to an unified OS across all platforms. Simply call it "Apple OS", then carve out updates for Mac, iPhone/iPad/iPod/Watch/TV, so all are on the same version and get updated simultaneously.

Does this mean macOS becomes iOS? No. Apple OS on the Mac will retain the current Macintosh full desktop UI, and Apple OS on mobile devices will remain the same. The underlying code can be the same as is, just the naming changed so it's easier. Definitely less complicated than macOS/iOS/tvOS/watchOS.

What you're suggesting is impossible. Computers do so many things that phones do not, so that is impossible. The Mac code would not fit on a phone and IOS on the Mac would be a disaster of less functions on a computer. They are 2 different chipsets only based on the same coding ideas, not the same code.

Mac OS takes up over 100GB on my Mac. I know it could be compressed to around 60GB or even less, but clearly that would not remotely fit on any phone.

And how is it less complicated just changing the names? The IOS devices maybe could all contain the same code, but even the watch can only run a subset of IOS, being just a watch. What you're asking for serves no practical purpose, just more confusion.
 
That's just it, it used to be that way! When they were doing releases every two years, it was the time period when MacOS was most stable. Then starting with Mavericks they started releasing every year and quality has gone downhill since.

Don't forget OS updates are now free (used to cost $$$ to upgrade)... I guess you get what you pay for.
 
Yeah, they really need to increase the new OS cycle to 2-3 years and not every year. It seems like by the time they get all the wrinkles ironed out, they release a new bug-filled OS that we have to wait another year to not be so buggy again. It's annoying.

Yeah ... what the heck is up with this?

Doesn't compute.

I will skip HS entirely, for me it's the worst version of macOS released yet. Huge battery drain, slow and unresponsive on my rMBP 2015 (had it till the previous beta). Since I reversed to Sierra, everythings perfectly fine again. :)

*Same as above.

*Doesn't compute.
 
I'm hoping that most of these bugs are simply attributed to High Sierra being a brand new file system and that the next iteration will be a lot better. But the pattern over the last few years has been that Apple has just lost the ball on quality control lately.

Nah. There’s little overlap between most of the bugs being described and the file system layer.
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No, it wasn't. It's a brand new file system ... the biggest change to OS X since it was first debuted.

There have been many big changes in OS X, such as moving to x86, killing Carbon and QuickDraw, or replacing initd, etc. with launchd. APFS doesn’t stand out next to those.
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IMHO, Apple should switch to an unified OS across all platforms. Simply call it "Apple OS", then carve out updates for Mac, iPhone/iPad/iPod/Watch/TV, so all are on the same version and get updated simultaneously.

This is essentially the path they’ve taken for a few years, so you’d have to specify what in particular you want changed.

Does this mean macOS becomes iOS? No. Apple OS on the Mac will retain the current Macintosh full desktop UI, and Apple OS on mobile devices will remain the same. The underlying code can be the same as is, just the naming changed so it's easier. Definitely less complicated than macOS/iOS/tvOS/watchOS.

You think the naming causes the quality issues?
 
How long will it take them to fix Command-B not working for BOLD in the MAIL program?

How many times to I have to file the bug? Command-B clearly works here, but not correctly in MAIL?

And every new update still confuses mail servers in the MAIL program requiring remembering passwords and such. Isn't the Keychain supposed to make this not happen?

Btw, Command B hasn't worked since Sierra.

I know someone is going to say, c'mon, it's your keyboard, but it's not as I see the flash at the top of the screen showing the key was hit, not to mention I've tried multiple keyboards with the same result. How can they not fix something so simple? Do I type too fast for Apple?

It makes me seriously wonder if they know what they're doing or there's just not enough people working on this. :(

Command B works here.
I know you're having issues for some time and I think I read in your former posts you reinstalled yet you still have these issue.
It might be some program/plugin you use, find it odd that it works on my System, maybe other can check if it works on theirs.
 
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An interesting couple of anecdotes on who knew what, and when - here's an excerpt from Wikepedia's article on the Intel Management Engine:

SA-00086
Some months after the previous bugs, and subsequent warnings from the EFF,[4] security firm Positive Technologies claimed to have developed a working exploit.[83] On 20 November, 2017 Intel confirmed that a number of serious flaws had been found in the Management Engine (mainstream), Trusted Execution Engine (tablet/mobile), and Server Platform Services (high end server) firmwares, and released a "critical firmware update".[84][85] Essentially every Intel-based computer since Skylake (which was launched in August 2015), including most desktops and servers, were found to be vulnerable to having their security compromised, although all the potential routes of exploitation were not entirely known.[85] It is not possible to patch the problems from the operating system, and a firmware (UEFI, BIOS) update to the motherboard is required, which was anticipated to take quite some time for the many individual manufacturers to accomplish, if it ever would be for many systems.[17]

And here's another on Intel's CEO Krzanich stock sale (note the dates as compared to Intel's public confirmation of ME problems on 20-Nov):

http://fortune.com/2018/01/05/intel-ceo-stock-security-flaws/

If Apple exec's start dumping Apple stock shares, watch out. Now that the bird's out of the hat, so to speak, all of these chip and computer hardware vendors need to be as honest and forthcoming as possible about when these flaws were known, and what the ramifications may be for the computer industry. The need for secrecy for the sake of security is no longer an issue with SA-00086.
 
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Funny, but for me Command+B doesn't work in PowerPoint 2016, macOS 10.13.2. Don't know whether it is a feature or a bug.
 
What you're suggesting is impossible. Computers do so many things that phones do not, so that is impossible. The Mac code would not fit on a phone and IOS on the Mac would be a disaster of less functions on a computer. They are 2 different chipsets only based on the same coding ideas, not the same code.

Mac OS takes up over 100GB on my Mac. I know it could be compressed to around 60GB or even less, but clearly that would not remotely fit on any phone.

And how is it less complicated just changing the names? The IOS devices maybe could all contain the same code, but even the watch can only run a subset of IOS, being just a watch. What you're asking for serves no practical purpose, just more confusion.
Oh please, 100GB? No. macOS requires about 10-15GB for a fresh installation. Also, the whole point of the unified OS means that Apple will install only the Macintosh components on a Mac, and the mobile components on an iPhone/iPad/etc. Windows 10 does pretty much the same thing... I believe it's called a modular installation.

Also, nothing is truly impossible.
 
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While recovering from a disappointing lack of features, customers are awaiting two lists:
* Bugs fixed
* Bugs reintroduced
(or are we considered illiterate enough to blindly install this....?)
 
How long will it take them to fix Command-B not working for BOLD in the MAIL program?

How many times to I have to file the bug? Command-B clearly works here, but not correctly in MAIL?

And every new update still confuses mail servers in the MAIL program requiring remembering passwords and such. Isn't the Keychain supposed to make this not happen?

Btw, Command B hasn't worked since Sierra.

I know someone is going to say, c'mon, it's your keyboard, but it's not as I see the flash at the top of the screen showing the key was hit, not to mention I've tried multiple keyboards with the same result. How can they not fix something so simple? Do I type too fast for Apple?

It makes me seriously wonder if they know what they're doing or there's just not enough people working on this. :(

I do not believe this is keyboard... But cmd-B makes text bold in my Mail.app on HS. I wonder if there is some settings issue. Mail.app seems bit confusing in handling rich text - which is needed for formatting. It will convert when needed from plain text to rich text without any warning. I wonder if cmd-B is enough to provoke the change between formats... I set my Mail preferences to make all messages as rich text to make it simpler.
 
Oh please, 100GB? No. macOS requires about 10-15GB for a fresh installation. Also, the whole point of the unified OS means that Apple will install only the Macintosh components on a Mac, and the mobile components on an iPhone/iPad/etc. Windows 10 does pretty much the same thing... I believe it's called a modular installation.

He probably meant his System with all Apps.

My install is smaller, I removed all languages and a lot of other files I don't need like certain dictionaries, screensavers, documentation and so on.
 
Doesn't compute.



*Same as above.

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What is your position on the Spectre and Meltdown vulnerabilities? Im asking respectfully as someone that is concerned about older iterations of OSs in light of these risks
 
i wonder whats changed hmmmm, most prop nothing oh as people say under the hood lol
Dude, kindly stop. You're not helping anybody with your complaining.
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Yeah, they really need to increase the new OS cycle to 2-3 years and not every year. It seems like by the time they get all the wrinkles ironed out, they release a new bug-filled OS that we have to wait another year to not be so buggy again. It's annoying.
I don't really see that happening. And I refuse to wait 2-3 years for a major update. That would just suck. A lot. I like the yearly cycle, even with all the bugs that crop up, which I'm fine with. No software is perfect, and all software is going to have bugs and/or issues. Also, pushing back the cycle to 2-3 years would basically kill WWDC. WWDC is a yearly event, and that's where they showcase new OS releases, such as releases for iOS. If they reduced the iOS release cycle to 2-3 years, RIP WWDC as iOS is basically the primary attraction at the conference.
 
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