Apple Seeds First Beta of Upcoming macOS Big Sur 11.1 Update to Developers

[Wolf1701]

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• macOS Big Sur 11.0 - macOS Big Sur is macOS 11, rather than macOS 10.16. Federighi said that between the new design and Apple Silicon, macOS Big Sur serves as a "real renewal of the platform" and Apple is excited to "mark it as the next chapter.""

well the 12 will be super-amazing-wonderful then... switch to quantum computing? 😂

 

[aehaas]

Has anybody a report on how 11.1 is working for them?

 

[adrianlondon]

Has anybody a report on how 11.1 is working for them?

So far, no issues.

Well, no new issues. I still have a bug carried over from the first Big Sur beta which is that exporting photos that have been edited in any way, strips all IPTC and XMP metadata from the export. Unedited photos are fine (and all were fine in Catalina).

 

[manu chao]

If we’re being extremely technical, after 10.10 Yosemite, they started to make less and less sense. 10.1 and 10.10 are the exact same number. Obviously, puma and Yosemite are two different operating systems, but I think you get my point. 10.15, which was Catalina, is actually a smaller number than 10.2 jaguar was. So Apple attempting to get away from that confusing mess is something that I appreciate.

Something with more than one decimal point ain't a number (and the . thus isn't even a decimal point). Look at how dates are written, it varies between countries (and also within countries) but separating the day, month, and year with a . is reasonably common, would 1.10.20 be the same date as 1.1.20? And while dates represent a number, they aren't written using a decimal system (it uses 12 and 30-ish instead).

Version numbering is in some aspects more like street addresses, you could have 5th avenue, building number 10, floor 11, room 7.

 

[manu chao]

I think this confirms that from now on, macOS will get a new version number every year.
so next year we’ll get 12.0, in 2022 we’ll get 13.0, etc.
Or, maybe Apple will start doing what everyones asking, and instead of releasing a new major version every year, they go back to the days where the current version is perfected over a 24 to 30 month period Before we move on.
to be honest, what irritates me more is that all of their operating systems now are on different version numbers. macOS 11, iOS 14, watchOS 7.
let’s unify that. Since next year, we’ll get iOS 15, tvOS 15, and HomePod OS 15, let’s just bump all of the version numbers to 15.

Even your naming suggestion implies a strong linkage between macOS and iOS. Given that macOS now runs iOS directly and uses a pretty similar SoC, I'm pretty sure that macOS and iOS will be updated more or less together. Thus while macOS could make do with a two-year schedule, iOS might want to move faster.

 

[nortonandreev]

Nope. There virtually nothing in the release notes.

Release Notes Apple provides have never included all changes made (not in the last few years at least). It’s not a good indicator of what has changed.

 

[ryecoke]

If we’re being extremely technical, after 10.10 Yosemite, they started to make less and less sense. 10.1 and 10.10 are the exact same number. Obviously, puma and Yosemite are two different operating systems, but I think you get my point. 10.15, which was Catalina, is actually a smaller number than 10.2 jaguar was. So Apple attempting to get away from that confusing mess is something that I appreciate.

uh what? no... The periods are separators, not decimal points. Kinda like an IP address, etc.

In typical versioning, for example, version "10.15.10" would mean its the the 10th patch/revision of the 15th minor version of the 10th major version.

The first number represents major releases (usually where things are completely overhauled, or can when be when there's just a lot of new features.)
The second is minor releases (usually adding new features, or changing existing features.)
The last is patches/revisions (usually fixing bugs, fixing typos, security fixes, etc.)

 

[stiligFox]

You know that only one of the four iPhone models released this year is the faster iPhone ever made right?

Hence why I said that they say that every year. The iPhone X was the fastest iPhone ever.

As was the iPhone XS Max

iPhone 11 Pro Max

Why would they make a flagship phone that was the same or slower than the year before? Of course it’s going to be the fastest iPhone they’ve ever made! It’s a marketing shtick.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

Man if this is all you got to worry about version numbers your lucky people are dying all over the world from COVID and your worried about software numbers. Omg. I would rather see the software work as explained at wwdc then crash peoples macs, iPhones or iPads the number might move forward but the software is not. With more bugs then ever. Really.

First of all, this is MacRumors. This isn’t Covid rumors. If I wanted to talk about Covid, I’d find somewhere else to do it. So your point about people dying is moot. Obviously people are dying, I could say that about anything.

 

[l0stl0rd]

Someone let me know when things like zbrush, blender and slicers are usable and Scenekitqlthumbnail extension does
not go crazy and eats all the ram and more.

 

[MallardDuck]

Obviously. But still, Apple announcing macOS Catalina, or Mojave, or Yosemite, and calling it “ The biggest update in the history of the Mac,” but then calling at 10.13, 10.14, 10.15 is just a little bit ridiculous.

That's because they weren't MacOS. They were OS X (ten, not eks). Now that the branding changed, the numbers can too.

 

[srbNYC]

Anything about the software?

 

[l0stl0rd]

Anything about the software?

for me everything that uses 3d files and stls seems to create an memory leak. i reported it in the Big Sur beta but they did not fix it

 

[macintoshmac]

It is safe to say this thread could be completely purged and no one would have lost anything meaningful. Or, this thread could simply be renamed to ‘macOS Numbering Discussion’ and a new thread for macOS 11.1 beta could be created where people could report something relevant and meaningful.

 

[macsba]

It is safe to say this thread could be completely purged and no one would have lost anything meaningful. Or, this thread could simply be renamed to ‘macOS Numbering Discussion’ and a new thread for macOS 11.1 beta could be created where people could report something relevant and meaningful.

It's one of those types of threads where one just gets a bottle of wine and have a laugh.

 

[chucker23n1]

If we’re being extremely technical, after 10.10 Yosemite, they started to make less and less sense. 10.1 and 10.10 are the exact same number.

Version numbers aren’t decimal. 10.1 isn’t the same as 10.10 or as 10.100.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

Guys! Just like the majority of macOS X.Xx.Xx updates, there’s not much new.
If you came here to see that all of the bugs you’ve ever had have now been fixed, there’s 37 new wallpapers, and it’s running on a PowerBook G5, you’re out of luck.
This update, from what I’ve gathered, is mainly targeted at the new MacBook Pro, air, and mini. If you’re running it on an Intel Machine, you’re not gonna notice much of a difference between this and 11.0.1.

 

[cmaier]

If we’re being extremely technical, after 10.10 Yosemite, they started to make less and less sense. 10.1 and 10.10 are the exact same number. Obviously, puma and Yosemite are two different operating systems, but I think you get my point. 10.15, which was Catalina, is actually a smaller number than 10.2 jaguar was. So Apple attempting to get away from that confusing mess is something that I appreciate.

They aren’t decimal points. If they were, then versions like 10.5.1 wouldn’t make any sense.

 

[cmaier]

Version numbers aren’t decimal. 10.1 isn’t the same as 10.10 or as 10.100.

Wait until someone tells him about how IPv4 addresses work

 

[lupinglade]

10.x was the OS based on NeXTStep iirc.

Im not sure how much of modern macOS is based on nextstep any longer.

Lots, most of the underpinnings still are but with evolution.

 

[dogslobber]

This is totally confusing for everybody move to this Chrome style versioning.

 

[srbNYC]

New Stickies icon.

 

[zackkitzmiller]

If we’re being extremely technical, after 10.10 Yosemite, they started to make less and less sense. 10.1 and 10.10 are the exact same number. Obviously, puma and Yosemite are two different operating systems, but I think you get my point. 10.15, which was Catalina, is actually a smaller number than 10.2 jaguar was. So Apple attempting to get away from that confusing mess is something that I appreciate.

Oh.. Oh my.. You're so very wrong. That's not how SemVer works at all. lol. The numbers are just.. place holders. Think sodoku. they could be shapes or whatever. The left most position indicates a breaking API change, the middle digit represents a new API or API feature, the third a patch or bug fix.

 

[BaggieBoy]

Well that was a strange install (2018 13" MBP). Started normally but with about 8 minutes to go the screen started turning black for a few seconds, then coming back on for a few seconds. The install was still continuing however, and eventually ended up at the login screen...with the screen still going black and coming back every few seconds. I logged on and the display issue continued. Restarted and it all started up normally, no display issue.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

Oh.. Oh my.. You're so very wrong. That's not how SemVer works at all. lol. The numbers are just.. place holders. Think sodoku. they could be shapes or whatever. The left most position indicates a breaking API change, the middle digit represents a new API or API feature, the third a patch or bug fix.

Yes, I’m very aware of that.
however, the majority of average consumers are not aware of that, and being the technical support in a family is not the easiest thing when you have cynical a**h***s in your family asking why their computers running OS X, and why they keep having to download new versions of 10.
and I’m not being facetious at all, I’ve had family members ask me why Apple won’t make an 11 update.
i’ve had to explain to them exactly what you guys are explaining to me, and knowing Apple, they probably don’t like the association of their brand with complicated programming numbers.
so now, every year it’s going to be X.0.
12.0, 13.0, 14.0, etc.
because, outside of people who understand how programming works, asking someone if their computers running Mac OS 10.15.6 sounds absolutely ridiculous.
meanwhile, asking if they updated to 11.0 or 11.1 sounds a lot more customer friendly, which is something that Apple likes to be.