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Apple Seeds First macOS High Sierra 10.13.1 Beta to Developers

10.13 feels like an alpha a bit, maybe 10.13.1 will feel like a beta..
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mudflap said:
Well, I have two ThunderBay 4s running SoftRAID (RAID 5), one for work and media and the other for Time Machine. All are formatted HFS. The only APFS volume I use is my startup SSD. It backs up to Time Machine just fine. I also use Carbon Copy Cloner to clone my APFS startup volume to an external HFS volume and that works fine as well.
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TM won't work on APFS even if the drive is an SSD. I lost my TM data testing this theory out and had to start from scratch back to a HFS format.
 
bbnck said:
Juli, are you purposely trying to piss us off by mentioning any time new emojis are being added? If you are, I can tell you it's working, so you can stop now. Please believe me it is not particularly amusing to us.
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Of course not. But that *is* a feature that's coming in an update, and it's one that some people look forward to, so I can't avoid it. No new emoji in this update, though, and I can promise not to mention them again until they launch.
 
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redheeler said:
It varies. Could be tomorrow, or next week. Often the same build as the developer release, so if you want to get it at the same time as developers, run this command in Terminal:
Code: 
sudo softwareupdate --set-catalog https://swscan.apple.com/content/catalogs/others/index-10.13seed-10.13-10.12-10.11-10.10-10.9-mountainlion-lion-snowleopard-leopard.merged-1.sucatalog.gz
Can't guarantee it will work, but it should.
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If I run this, will it show in the App store update and going forward would I be on the Developer schedule?
 
This week...I finally upgraded my office Mac mini from Snow Leopard to...El Capitan. :)
(Shock: I quite like it!)
So I guess I'm not really in the "early adopter" crowd. Enjoy High Sierra all!
 
xgman said:
10.13 feels like an alpha a bit, maybe 10.13.1 will feel like a beta..
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TM won't work on APFS even if the drive is an SSD. I lost my TM data testing this theory out and had to start from scratch back to a HFS format.
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If the TM storage volume is HFS+ (as it has always been), you can run backups of APFS (and HFS+) volumes to it. Just don't reformat your TM storage, and you can back up whatever you like. Which you now know from experience. ;)
 
originspast said:
What do you mean by partial support? Any support at all? Nothing's working for me since Sierra with Exchange 2016. Any tricks for me?
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I can't say for sure what the issue is for exchange, but I came across a thread that suggested Exchange 2016's switch to NTLM over HTTP2.0 is what is causing issues. There's an option to enable HTTP1.1 from the server side which supposedly makes everything work. But my colleague and I determined we don't want to enable legacy stuff. Since exchange 2016 has been out for a while, it's apple that needs to fix their client. What I don't understand is that the iOS mail client works fine (minus the bug that patched today in iOS 11 but that's a different issue I believe). Why isn't the macOS client working?

EDIT: Here's the thread I've been reading https://social.technet.microsoft.co...d-apple-mail-and-safari-only?forum=Exch2016CM
 
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jonnysods said:
This is the update I'm waiting for. Way less bugs in the .1 releases.
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Fair enough but the GM release of High Sierra is working really well on my machines....Macbook Air,27/21''iMacs. The APFS has made a definite improvement in the finder speed and [touch wood] is stable.
 
haddy said:
Fair enough but the GM release of High Sierra is working really well on my machines....Macbook Air,27/21''iMacs. The APFS has made a definite improvement in the finder speed and [touch wood] is stable.
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I agree, I'm actually wondering if messing with it by running betas will F it up.
 
FCX said:
If the TM storage volume is HFS+ (as it has always been), you can run backups of APFS (and HFS+) volumes to it. Just don't reformat your TM storage, and you can back up whatever you like. Which you now know from experience. ;)
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Yup, I actually APFS'ed all my external data SSD's which I hope I don't regret. So far ok, but I wish I knew not to do the TM one too. Seems kind of odd that Apple didn't get that function ready for this release simultaneously.
 
LarryJoe33 said:
I agree, I'm actually wondering if messing with it by running betas will F it up.
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If you're concerned about potential issues and have only one main system, then don't run betas. Usually the 10.x.x betas are much less issue-prone than 10.x betas, but I've still had issues occasionally.
 
mithion said:
What I don't understand is that the iOS mail client works fine (minus the bug that patched today in iOS 11 but that's a different issue I believe). Why isn't the macOS client working?
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It's because iOS uses ActiveSync, I guess.
 
redheeler said:
If you're concerned about potential issues and have only one main system, then don't run betas. Usually the 10.x.x betas are much less issue-prone than 10.x betas, but I've still had issues occasionally.
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Thanks, I'm well versed on the topic and am backed up to kingdom come. I got it. I have been running High Sierra since June. I was pretty much saying that tongue in cheek.
 
StudioSanctum said:
Yeah I think I will sit out High Sierra until 10.13.5 or so... All this yearly changing of the OS is getting a bit ridiculous at this point. I really wish they would hold still on one for a few years and perfect the stability. I mean do we really need any "new" features? They seem to just be adding stuff for the sake of adding now. Not because it is making anything better. And with Apple this seems pointless seeing as their OS is free. It isn't as thought they have money to make by doing this. I miss the good ole' days when an OS stuck around for many many years.
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They’re putting work into unifying macOS and iOS which is great. And modernizing their file system. And bringing sorely missed features from the defunct aperture into the photos app. All good changes.
 
Perdix said:
I've never had a (serious) issue with any Apple update, including the betas (am I allowed to say that?) before. High Sierra though caused really, really big problems.

Eventually I worked out the problem was with Rogue Amoeba's Instant On, something I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere. Perhaps no one else used it. I had to uninstall it (after also going back to a Time Machine backup of the whole drive on a previous go) and all is now well. It was buried in /Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/HAL (I've no idea what HAL stands for). I think Rogue Amoeba now have a version that works, but I won't be going back.

Oddly the effects were to kill all sound (making the sound preferences panel unavailable) and making Safari unusably slow - presumably because of some weird interaction with Audio.
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This happened to me. I installed the public beta a couple of weeks ago and was left with a basically unusable machine, particularly Safari. Rogue Amoeba was trying and failing to update Instant On, but I didn’t realise that it was the cause of the general slowness. Ended up restoring from TM and didn’t upgrade until yesterday (after updating all third-party apps). Everything working fine now.
 
Anyone else having problems with the updated Photos app? It's running really slow on my 2011 MacBook Air. The previous version ran fine.
 
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