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Adobe software not being compatible with High Sierra is a joke! They've had literally months to get the software compatible. Thankfully I've only seen a couple of issues since upgrading - but they should have been ready with a day one patch. It's not like they didn't know it was coming and an exact date at that!
Couldn't agree more and it's the same every time. When we pay our ransom to Adobe every month, it should at least be paying for timely updates and patches. I know there are alternatives but their apps are industry standard, no way round that for the professional.
 
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Hope they're working with Adobe (or Adobe with them rather), can't upgrade until the issues with InDesign and Illustrator are sorted.
I use both those apps, HEAVILY, with no issues at all.

Not everyone is experiencing the problems listed. In most cases, it's specific to the person/people complaining because of their particular setup.
 
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Yeah I think I will sit out High Sierra until 10.13.5 or so... All this yearly changing of the OS is getting a bit ridiculous at this point. I really wish they would hold still on one for a few years and perfect the stability. I mean do we really need any "new" features? They seem to just be adding stuff for the sake of adding now. Not because it is making anything better. And with Apple this seems pointless seeing as their OS is free. It isn't as thought they have money to make by doing this. I miss the good ole' days when an OS stuck around for many many years.

Blame the haters on this one. No new features? Apple is not innovating anymore!!!!
 
Apple have backed out of supporting APFS on HDD just before the final release, and publicly have stated it will come later...

APFS is presently disallowed on Fusion drives, with support to come later. APFS does now work on HDD's, though the conversion isn't automatic.

My take on this: APFS on Fusion is likely broken, while APFS on HDD might merely benchmark slower than HFS.

Wouldn't it have been a possibility to "silently" upgrade macOS 10.13 (or whatever version...) with APFS later?

Nothing wrong with a slow staged rollout. Think of 10.13.0 as the "silent" upgrade of SSDs. 10.13.x can silently upgrade HDDs. 10.13.y can silently upgrade Fusion drives. It is better to release in stages, rather than waiting until everything's perfect.
 
This week...I finally upgraded my office Mac mini from Snow Leopard to...El Capitan. :)
(Shock: I quite like it!)
So I guess I'm not really in the "early adopter" crowd. Enjoy High Sierra all!

I never understand the need for updating a production system to the newest OS on the release day. Or release week. Or even release quarter. I do it because I do not make my living off just one system, I like being on the latest and I anticipate issues. If it was an actual system that I depend on for my work, I would probably update after a year or two.
 
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I've done a fresh install of High Sierra on my MacBook Air, and encounter tons of pretty bad bugs.
The hardware was working pretty well with Sierra, not fundamental issues. But now it's all broken. I had freezes, finder crashed, keyboard malfunction, problems with installing apps (any app, I guess it actually was finder issue). I had to reboot multiple times.
It's pretty bad for release that many people call the maintenance one.
 
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hmm . .I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion.

My observation is that over the past decade, generally speaking, as OSX updates are coming more frequently, the overall stability has gone inversely to the update cycle. Just as one version is nearing pretty good stability, they put up an updated version that tears it right back down again. I've never understood this, but must admit I'm following along blindly.
 
I was being facetious.

Sorry. Yesterday was a long day.
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10.13 feels like an alpha a bit, maybe 10.13.1 will feel like a beta..
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TM won't work on APFS even if the drive is an SSD. I lost my TM data testing this theory out and had to start from scratch back to a HFS format.

Ah, I think we're saying the same thing. You can't have an APFS Time Machine. You can, however, have an HFS Time Machine and backup an APFS startup volume to it.
 
I really hope Apple can fix ASAP the issues with the Fusion drives and APFS, Microsoft Office and some of the Pro applications. for the sake of the adopters...:eek::oops:
 
Yeah I think I will sit out High Sierra until 10.13.5 or so... All this yearly changing of the OS is getting a bit ridiculous at this point. I really wish they would hold still on one for a few years and perfect the stability. I mean do we really need any "new" features? They seem to just be adding stuff for the sake of adding now. Not because it is making anything better. And with Apple this seems pointless seeing as their OS is free. It isn't as thought they have money to make by doing this. I miss the good ole' days when an OS stuck around for many many years.
That’s exactly the point with High Sierra, there are actually close to no user-oriented features.
 
I've never had a problem with the first version of any previous MacOS installs, yet High Sierra has killed 2 out of 2 Macs I've installed it on. One only required a reinstall on top of the previous install, the other couldn't even see the hard drive, went into "Internet Recovery mode" and installed Mountain Lion.
Killed? That might be overstating your issues a tad. Might I request that you provide more facts regarding your experiences with High Sierra. Your post as written helps no one. In my case I have been running High Sierra on a 2017 MacBook Pro 15", 2011 MacBook Pro 17" (ssd) and on a 2012 Mac mini (ssd) since the first High Sierra beta through the GM candidate, final and now 10.13.1 Beta 1 with only minor glitches during the early betas. High Sierra has solid, reliable, and fluid on all 3 computers since the final beta and now on 10.13.1 Beta 1. I my experience High Sierra has been an excellent release cycle if the not the best compared to others in recent memory.
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Any news on 3rd party SSDs and APFS?
I have no issues with Samsung EVO and Crucial ssd devices in 2011 MacBook Pro 17" and 2012 Mac mini. Both were automatically converted to APFS during install of High Sierra. I manually enabled TRIM support after first reboot. Flawless performance.
 
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High Sierra has been disastrous for my iMac to the point that I'm now considering the first clean install in 5 years. Not what I expected of an OS meant to fix underlying problems and improve the system. It did the opposite. Should've stayed on Sierra.

I'm looking forward to this point update. I mean, it can't get any worse... can it?

I ALWAYS perform a clean install. ALWAYS. Even on Windows. Upgrades always are asking for trouble. I am sure 90% of people's issues would go away if they performed a clean install.
 
I view it as a more stable Sierra. I agree, High Sierra is exactly what he is bitching about wishing they would do.
Some people seem to speak before thinking. Its tiring having to read the same useless opinions every year.
 
Adobe software not being compatible with High Sierra is a joke! They've had literally months to get the software compatible. Thankfully I've only seen a couple of issues since upgrading - but they should have been ready with a day one patch. It's not like they didn't know it was coming and an exact date at that!

I am dropping Photoshop and Illustrator for Affinity Photo and Affinity Designer. Even on my Windows machines I find the Adobe programs laggy and buggy.
 
After updating 10.13 to 10.13.1 beta 1 I was unable to join wifi.

Tried restarting computer. That didn't work.

Tried tuning wifi off and on again. That didn't work.

What eventually worked was restarting the modem.

But I never had to do that before after a mac os update. I've had all the betas from 10.7.2 right up to 10.13 and after every update wifi connected automatically.

Something bad happened going from 10.13 to 10.13.1 requiring a modem restart. Don't know why. At least I got it working again. Otherwise I would have been downgrading to 10.13 again. No need now.

Anyone else experiencing wifi problems like this when going from 10.13 to 10.13.1?
No issues reconnecting to configured wifi on 3 computers upgraded to 10.13.1 Beta 1.
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I've done a fresh install of High Sierra on my MacBook Air, and encounter tons of pretty bad bugs.
The hardware was working pretty well with Sierra, not fundamental issues. But now it's all broken. I had freezes, finder crashed, keyboard malfunction, problems with installing apps (any app, I guess it actually was finder issue). I had to reboot multiple times.
It's pretty bad for release that many people call the maintenance one.
No problems whatsoever on my 2017 MacBook Pro 15", 2011 MacBook Pro 17" (ssd) and 2012 Mac mini (ssd). More than likely your problems stem from incompatible software that either needs to be updated or removed. Before blaming High Sierra try a clean install to test. Once you are satisfied do a restore from Time Machine or whatever you use for backup. You are backing up right?
 



Apple today seeded the first beta of an upcoming macOS High Sierra update to developers, two days after releasing the new High Sierra operating system to the public.

The first macOS High Sierra 10.13.1 beta can be downloaded from the Apple Developer Center or through the Software Update mechanism in the Mac App Store with the proper profile installed.

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It's not yet clear what improvements the first update to macOS High Sierra will bring, but it's likely to include bug fixes and performance improvements for issues that have been found between the time the golden master was released and its final public launch.

The update could also include features Apple has delayed for a later set of betas, such as iCloud storage for iMessages, and we're also supposed to be getting some new emojis soon.

We'll update this post with any new features that are found in macOS High Sierra 10.13.1.

Article Link: Apple Seeds First macOS High Sierra 10.13.1 Beta to Developers
I’m using golden master of Mac OS High Sierra I want to update to the final version of Mac OS High Sierra but when it’s finished to download file im trying to open for installation it takes me again to the play store to download again file i have tried so many times without hope

Please somebody help me please
 
I’m using golden master of Mac OS High Sierra I want to update to the final version of Mac OS High Sierra but when it’s finished to download file im trying to open for installation it takes me again to the play store to download again file i have tried so many times without hope

Please somebody help me please
Is there a copy of Install macOS High Sierra.app in your Applications folder after you download from the App Store? If so you can run it directly from there without downloading again. Just an idea...
 
Anyone check if 10.13.1 includes improved tooling for APFS? Is there a diskutil apfs mergeContainers, maybe?

I really hope Apple can fix ASAP the issues with the Fusion drives and APFS, Microsoft Office and some of the Pro applications. for the sake of the adopters...:eek::oops:

What MS Office issues?
 
Is there a copy of Install macOS High Sierra.app in your Applications folder after you download from the App Store? If so you can run it directly from there without downloading again. Just an idea...
Yeah I find it in application folder but when I’m trying to open it it’s fail to open it takes me again to the play store
 
Already had a kernel panic on my MacBook Pro and I haven’t even had High Sierra for two hours. Getting sloppy over there in Cupertino.

Likely some crap software you have installed somewhere, not anything Apple did.
 
From the 10.13.1 beta release notes -

"The Mac App Store no longer delivers developer betas to your Mac."
 
From the 10.13.1 beta release notes -

"The Mac App Store no longer delivers developer betas to your Mac."

I mean, that's probably just poorly-worded. It's in the section "Stop receiving beta updates". So what they mean is probably "if you've followed the above steps, you will no longer receive further developer betas".
 
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