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...Photos doesn't seem to offer a hierarchy for smart albums (ie, organising smart albums in folders) nor does it seem to offer smart albums (I might be wrong of course).

Yup, you're wrong ;)
Photos has both smart albums and folders.
 
Professional Photographers: Photos is a platform for OSX, not just an app. The app is only the front end UI that Apple provides. Extensions are what will make this infinitely powerful for professionals. Imagine Pixelmator being able to natively tap into your Photos library and execute non destructive edits that will then become available to your library through Photos.app on your Mac, iPad and iPhone.

Other extensions will add power to those who need it. Need more fine tune control for your EXIF data? More automated importing? There'll be an extension for that. A whole ecosystem is going to pop up and it'll be a serious threat to Adobe's Photoshop/Lightroom monopoly.

Photo libraries are now supported at the operating system level. This is huge.

If this turns out to be the truth I will be very happy, but I'm skeptical.
 
Right now my iPhoto library is 130GB and is stored on an external hard drive.

Will Photo's allow you to store the library on an external hard drive instead of iCloud or your internal HDD? My MacBook Pro does not have enough space to store the files and I really don't want to pay for iCloud storage every month.
 
Right now my iPhoto library is 130GB and is stored on an external hard drive.

Will Photo's allow you to store the library on an external hard drive instead of iCloud or your internal HDD? My MacBook Pro does not have enough space to store the files and I really don't want to pay for iCloud storage every month.

Yes you can store the library anywhere you want, like with iPhoto.
 
FOLDERS!

Can someone please try to create folders for albums. There is a picture of one in the Verge article, but that is a major feature of Aperture.

I understand events/projects are gone; however, if albums can be sorted into different folders that might be okay.

So can folders be created for albums?
 
Script Editor has also been updated on this release as well, that wasn't mentioned however it's got a new icon and presumably some under the hood changes.
 
If this turns out to be the truth I will be very happy, but I'm skeptical.

If you're hoping for Aperture 4.0, not.

According to The Verge, you can't even do star ratings or flags in Photos. How 'bout heirarchical keywords? writing to metadata? referenced photos? XMP? lens corrections? presets? import options? stacking? etc

Every preview article I've ready were united in saying this is a beefed up and much improved iPhoto. Which is fantastic. It is most definitely not an updated Aperture or Lightroom replacement; to suggest that is perhaps to do a disservice to what looks like a very good consumer photo organizer and editor. I'm looking forward to using it for the uses for which it seems to be intended. It does look pretty much exactly like what I've got on my iPad; cool.
 
Backups should be for when something goes wrong with your computer. Not because there's a lack of a setting in a piece of software.

I don't understand. What lack of a setting is putting your photos at risk in Photos? If you switch off synching with iCloud, Photos will behave exactly like iPhoto did. If you do sync, iCloud provides a cloud backup for your local computer as well your iOS devices. You get this extra backup at the price of a mistake on an iOS device being able to affect your Mac. I'd say that is an even deal.

And no matter what, not having multiple backups of your computer in the first place, is a big no-no in any situation.
 
How do you import an aperture library into the new photos app? When I click import, the aperture library 'file' is greyed out. Thanks.
 
Um, you can already do all that with Lightroom, Photoshop and a whole bunch of plugins and everything else.

According to The Verge, you can't even do star ratings or flags in Photos. How 'bout heirarchical keywords? writing to metadata? referenced photos? XMP? lens corrections? presets? import options?
Photos is really geared towards JPEG shooters who don't need lens corrections or adjustment presets. Which is fine, but I am really disappointed that Apple has essentially given up on raw shooter completely.

Every preview article I've ready were united in saying this is a beefed up and much improved iPhoto. Which is fantastic. It is most definitely not an updated Aperture or Lightroom replacement; to suggest that is perhaps to do a disservice to what looks like a very good consumer photo organizer and editor.
I'd go as far and say it's a very good solution for shots taken with iOS devices (which we know is how most people take pictures nowadays).
 
Can someone please advise me which program has the best DAM (Digital Asset Management) between

1) Aperture
2) iPhoto
3) new Mac Photos
4) Lightroom

I don't care about filters, plugins etc. I just want the best *local* organization (not in the cloud). Thanks!
 
I don't understand. What lack of a setting is putting your photos at risk in Photos?

With Photostream I had a way of automatically moving photos from my phone to my Mac and then they were safe.

With iCloud photos I can either give up on getting photos automatically from the phone or I have to accept that a mistake or bug on Apple's servers could decide to erase photos on my Mac.

Both of those are lame choices.

(And no, backups don't really help. What if it erases 50 photos from 4 years ago? What are the odds I'll notice that before my backups eventually cycle around and those changes are finally purged from all of my backups? Pretty slim.)

The point is, Photostream offered syncing with protection and iCloud Photos offers syncing without protection (or way to turn protection on). Hence, the "setting" I'm referring to.

I really want to like this Photos app but I'm afraid I'l have to go with a Dropbox/Lightroom system. (Which also offers solutions for families, another feature Apple continues to neglect.)
 
Being an Aperture user, I'm beginning to wonder why I need a Mac anymore...

Yes, there are still plenty of reasons and benefits, but boy, Apple is working hard to minimize them.

Not saying Windows is perfect, but at least they are trying to work up, not down.

Glassed Silver:mac
 
If this turns out to be the truth I will be very happy, but I'm skeptical.

It's how it works on iOS. 3rd party apps have access to the OS level photo library where they can make changes (with your permission) and the photo is updated in the library where it's available to you in the Photos app or other 3rd party apps.

Photos for iOS and Photos for OS X were developed together so it's a pretty good educated guess that this is how it's being done in OS X.
 
Can someone please advise me which program has the best DAM (Digital Asset Management) between

1) Aperture
2) iPhoto
3) new Mac Photos
4) Lightroom

I don't care about filters, plugins etc. I just want the best *local* organization (not in the cloud). Thanks!

I remember reading that you don't have to use the cloud in the new Photos app and that it can be all local (which is what I plan to do if I like it).

Aperture and LR both have great organization tools and with smart albums and folders in Photos, it may too. I just hope the metadata tagging/keywording comes along. So far, I've read 1 quote that said metadata isn't featured :(

Cheers,
Keebler
 
Professional Photographers: Photos is a platform for OSX, not just an app. The app is only the front end UI that Apple provides. Extensions are what will make this infinitely powerful for professionals. Imagine Pixelmator being able to natively tap into your Photos library and execute non destructive edits that will then become available to your library through Photos.app on your Mac, iPad and iPhone.

Other extensions will add power to those who need it. Need more fine tune control for your EXIF data? More automated importing? There'll be an extension for that. A whole ecosystem is going to pop up and it'll be a serious threat to Adobe's Photoshop/Lightroom monopoly.

Photo libraries are now supported at the operating system level. This is huge.

Your spouting this rubbish again. You shouldn't need extensions to do the basic tasks, it should all be within the basic software package.

Photo's looks like a nice little upgrade for ****ters and myfacers. For anyone who prints their work or cares about the photographs they take it's a massive kick in the nuts.

Would imagine the CEO of Adobe is now on the phone thanking Tim for such a pile of poo.

For other apps to get into the library - which according to you is at the OS level - that would mean Apple opening up the walled garden. IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
 
With Photostream I had a way of automatically moving photos from my phone to my Mac and then they were safe.

With iCloud photos I can either give up on getting photos automatically from the phone or I have to accept that a mistake or bug on Apple's servers could decide to erase photos on my Mac.

Both of those are lame choices.

(And no, backups don't really help. What if it erases 50 photos from 4 years ago? What are the odds I'll notice that before my backups eventually cycle around and those changes are finally purged from all of my backups? Pretty slim.)

The point is, Photostream offered syncing with protection and iCloud Photos offers syncing without protection (or way to turn protection on). Hence, the "setting" I'm referring to.

I really want to like this Photos app but I'm afraid I'l have to go with a Dropbox/Lightroom system. (Which also offers solutions for families, another feature Apple continues to neglect.)

You can still use photo stream!
 
With Photostream I had a way of automatically moving photos from my phone to my Mac and then they were safe.
With iCloud photos I can either give up on getting photos automatically from the phone or I have to accept that a mistake or bug on Apple's servers could decide to erase photos on my Mac.
Now, a mistake or bug on your local machine can as easily decide to erase photos on your Mac. And that is not a hypothetical situation, Aperture and iPhoto had library repair and rebuilt functions exactly because they could loose images. I once had a project turn empty on its own (thankfully the rebuild library brought the images back). But I also have a number of images where Aperture says it cannot find the original (and neither can I). Whether that is Aperture's or my mistake I don't know.
(And no, backups don't really help. What if it erases 50 photos from 4 years ago?
Your backups better help in such situations since that can happen without any cloud component on any computer. And there a two components to that scenario. If something deletes images from four years ago today, they still are in your backup from yesterday.

What are the odds I'll notice that before my backups eventually cycle around and those changes are finally purged from all of my backups? Pretty slim.)
There are only two solutions to this: (a) Get the biggest drive you can afford for your TM backup. I have TM backups going back almost two years. (b) Store snapshots (ie, clones) once every six months and put them away into a closet. Thin that out to one year, two years and so and as time passes.
The point is, Photostream offered syncing with protection and iCloud Photos offers syncing without protection (or way to turn protection on). Hence, the "setting" I'm referring to.
Photostream had one less vector for failure (deletion on device or server) but it also had one less backup. If your house burns down or anything else causes data loss on your Mac that is not synched to the cloud (theft, flood, power surge, HDD failure), iCloud Photo Library adds protection that Photostream didn't offer. It's a gain one, loose one situation.
 
Just checked and my iPhoto library is >10GB. It's a relatively small collection, especially considering how some on here go on about the thousands and thousands of photos they have.
 
You can still use photo stream!

Given Apple's tendency to cut redundancy in everything it does is there anyone who really expects Photostream to make it to 2016? I'd say it's pretty much certain it will die once iPhoto/Aperture support ends later this year.

There are only two solutions to this: (a) Get the biggest drive you can afford for your TM backup. I have TM backups going back almost two years. (b) Store snapshots (ie, clones) once every six months and put them away into a closet. Thin that out to one year, two years and so and as time passes.

Between all of my backups I already own over 40 TB of hard drives. Just how much more expensive does this stuff need to be? :confused:

gah

Now, a mistake or bug on your local machine can as easily decide to erase photos on your Mac.

Yes, but I consider it about 1 billion times more likely that a hacker is currently trying to compromise iCloud again than one is trying to personally break into my Mac directly.

It's a gain one, loose one situation.

So see, it's a "gain a much much riskier thing" and "lose a much much safer thing."

I can't make that trade.

And anyway, I've been dealing with the whole "Apple hates families" thing with Photostream for years. I only hung around because I thought they'd finally do something about it. Now that it's clear they aren't going to fix it that's my final notice to just go to Dropbox.
 
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