I agree. But that doesn't mean there aren't bugs that needs squashing. So if he's happy with Yosemite (which has had 5 bug fix releases) why not wait some weeks until 10.11.2 is out?
Last edited:
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Apple Seeds First OS X 10.11.2 El Capitan Beta to Developers
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
I agree. But that doesn't mean there aren't bugs that needs squashing. So if he's happy with Yosemite (which has had 5 bug fix releases) why not wait some weeks until 10.11.2 is out?
I disagree.
While El Capitan has potential to be better than Yosemite it isn't nowhere as good Snow Leopard was because A: it has very little under the hood improvements compared to Snow Leopard and B: It has too many bugs for a released OS as can be seen in 10.11 forum. If Apples previous schedule with OS updates holds it will take at least until .3 or .4 until most of the bugs have been squashed, in practice about 6-8 months AFTER it was released.
Does OS X support UEFI(if so, which version)? I ask because I’d like to use a PC graphics card, but I’d also like to be able to get a boot screen, and I know EFI is required for that. I also know that most modern graphics cards can have their BIOS replaced with UEFI.
I agree with you completely. The people that say El Capitan is bug free are only lucky it doesn't effect their specific setup. For the unlucky ones like me, I have been dealing with nothing but issues with Yosemite and now El Capitan. I have a Mac Pro 2006 running Snow Leopard that is way more solid (never crashes) then the two Macbook Pros I have (2012-mid and 2013-late) with El Capitan (and Yosemite prior to that). I even have the same apps running on the old 2006 Mac Pro and the two newer Macbook Pro's I have. The MBP 2012-mid issue I think is due to the Intel 4000 video driver (maybe introduced in 10.10.3), while the 2013-late has random crashes which force a reboot. Go check out the forums, such as this one to see the type of issues being dealt with: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7000724?start=0&tstart=0
These issues are real and not just user problems. These issues still exist even after a clean OS install, removing certain programs, replacing hardware (logic board in my case), testing various connection methods, etc etc. The crazy thing is on my 2012-mid Macbook Pro issue, if I boot into Windows 7 using boot camp, the display issues I am having in Mac OS X 10.11.1 are not there in Windows 7. Windows 7 works flawless on that same system and is rock solid. It is crazy to think I have to boot into Windows 7 on a Macbook Pro to have a system that is bug free. I want to use Mac OS X on the system, but can't due to how buggy it currently is on my specific hardware. I am hoping eventually El Capitan reaches Snow Leopard rock solidness, but it is not there currently.
1,000 Mbps = 125 MB/s I can easily get ~120 MB/s. If you're only getting 70 MB/s, that's not overhead, something is wrong with your network. In most cases, efficiency should be about 96% or 118 MB/s. Turn on jumbo frames and this goes up to 99%.
http://rickardnobel.se/actual-throughput-on-gigabit-ethernet/
http://rickardnobel.se/actual-throughput-on-gigabit-ethernet/
Is that what you're seeing – Kernel Panics?
I haven't seen that on any of the three Macs I use El Capitan on – two of the computers being extensively used.
Are you sure it's not a hardware problem? Sounds strange that Windows 7 works fine in that case, though. What I have is a MacBook Pro (Late 2011). No issues as of yet on that. I also have a Mac Pro from Mid 2010 with a GTX 970 graphics card and Nvidia Web Drivers. No major issue there either. Stable and solid. And a new graphics driver was just released from Nvidia...
Yes, but the 10.11.1 update has improved on removing a lot of the kernel panics. Since that update I have only had 1 Kernel Panic on the 2013-late MBP, while the 2012-early MBP is not crashing anymore, but the graphic glitches continue to exist. As you see in the forum thread I linked to I am not the only person having these issues (even in the latest update), and I can say on the 2012-early MBP that booting into Windows 7 gets rid of all the graphic display issue I am seeing on that machine. I just get tired of reading people say it is the users fault or a specific software causing the issue, just because they don't have the same issues. There are so many different combinations of hardware and software that could be on a specific system that triggers a given issue. That is why everyone is talking in the forums and trying to figure out what is common with all the people having issues. All I can say is that I have most of the same software installed on all my Mac's and the Windows boot partition. The Mac Pro 2006 with Snow Leopard has no issues, nor does the MBP 2012-late when booted into Windows 7. That says a lot right there since they are running the same software set, and in the MBP-2012 it is the exact same system.
Can it be that your computer is eligible for repair here?
MacBook Pro Repair Extension Program for Video Issues
https://www.apple.com/support/macbookpro-videoissues/
But I guess not for the computer that is ”early 2012”.
Well, if you've done a clean install of OS X and done the SMC and PRAM reset and if the hard drive you boot OS X from is okay (both hardware wise and filesystem wise) the only thing that's left is hardware issues on the computer (motherboard, GPU, CPU etc.). Unless of course there are something in OS X that isn't working well with the specific combination of hardware that is in your specific MacBook Pro. I mean if the issue you and the people there on Apple's discussion forum you linked to would be something that happens to all users I'm pretty sure it would get caught in the beta testing. Especially if it's a Kernel Panic – these things should be extremely rare. I haven't experienced a Kernel Panic for ages.
If it hasn't been said yet... I can confirm that 10.11.2 beta does not support RAID in Disk Utility.
All of the RAID management is done by the hardware in the Drobo... the Mac simply sees it as a single drive. You can partition away if you like.
We actually get higher data rates than 70-80MB/sec... but we are running some pretty high-end network hardware and we push around 90MB/sec regularly.
Apple REALLY needs to address the problems in iTunes-it has been getting bad for a while, but with El Capitan, there are times when it is nearly unusable…
While the "green JPG in Preview" is really embarrasing, I'd would much prefer for the SATA-USB3 adapter to start working again, like it does in Mavericks....
It fixed this 'green blocks preview.app bug', yeah. Finally.
It does not qualify for that, but regardless it is still under warranty and I have taken it in. They replaced the logic board, but it didn't fix the issue. I also did all the things you listed, in addition to a complete reinstall of the latest OS version (10.11.1). In the thread I linked to people have taken their systems in several times and basically had all their hardware replaced and the issue still was not fixed, so we are all starting to say it is a software issue.
The most interesting aspect is when I boot into Windows 7 on that same machine (Boot Camp), I don't have any issues. Why would Windows 7 work perfect while Mac OS X turns the external display off randomly and eventually has artifact issues. It could be said it is using the GPU more which causes the graphic glitches, but I had the logic board replaced. Everything seems to point to it being the Intel 4000 video driver in Mac OS X.
Yes I would think and hope most get caught in the beta, but if you browse around the Apple forums including the thread I sent, you find out people are having software issues. For example in the thread I sent people were having no problems until the 10.10.3 update (up to the current OS release). Once they apply that update they had issues, they roll back to 10.10.2 and the issues go away. Everything points to software issues at this point to the issues specific to me.
There was a time when I had not experienced a kernel panic in ages, but unfortunately that is only on my Mac Pro 2006 running Snow Leopard. Since Yosemite (and higher) it has been a up and down experience on multiple Macbook Pros for myself.
Last edited:
I don't know what to say – it's strange for sure. Like I said I don't recognise this at all on several Macs. One of them has Intel HD 4000 (a MacBook Pro, Mid 2012). I don't have it connected to an external display, though.
Sorry about your problems anyhow. And yes, it is interesting that i works fine when in Windows 7. Makes sense that i point to software issues in OS X, but at the same time I don't think every computer of that model you have are experiencing the problems you describe. If they do, it's really bad on Apples part. But like I said – frequent Kernel Panics and graphics artefacts like that sounds strange to have been omitted during beta testing.
When not connected to an external display I don't have any issues. It seems to be triggered when using an external display connected via mini DP. In addition I notice the issues are more pronounced when that external display is run at very high resolutions. I have reported it to Apple, and I know other people in the threads have similar issues (Intel 4000 with external display), so I am hoping that there will be a future fix. If not, I will just continue to use Windows 7 on that same system which has problem free. I would rather use Mac OS X, but at this point forced to use Windows 7 to work around the issues I have.
I agree, not everyone with that model is having issues. I think issues become exposed in specific setups, like me using a Macbook Pro 2012 with a 30" external monitor at a resolution of 2560 x 1600. Other times it seems to be a software specific like iStats, Little Snitch (for example of kernel crash: https://www.obdev.at/products/littlesnitch/releasenotes-nightly.html), or Fusion. With so many different configurations of hardware and software, I am sure it is hard to catch everything during beta. Reading some of the responses in this thread people are so high up on Mac OS X they think it can do no wrong, and if people are having issues it must be a hardware or software issue, no way could it be Mac OS X since they don't have the issue themselves. I have a Mac Pro that runs Snow Leopard and it is rock solid, while it has been nothing but random issues with Yosemite on two different Macbook Pros. I do admit El Cap is trying to fix those issues, and the 10.11.1 seems to be a step in the right direction (fixed some kernel panics people had on the forums). My hope is by the end of El Cap (10.11.8 or whatever) it becomes a Snow Leopard like release, but it is not there yet, and the people who say it is have just been lucky not to be running a hardware configuration or software configuration that is causing OS issues.
I agree people sometimes are too quick to conlud the proplem isn't with OS X when in fact there are amd has been quite a few propblems over the years. Overalll for me (and all the Macs at work) there hasn't been any major showstoppers, though. Well, maybe this Kernel Panic I rember could happen when browsing an AFP sharw containing lot of folders wotj a lot of images. That caused peoblem for our retouchers and it was definitely a big in OS C itself. Don't remeber in wihich OS X it was fixes.
Anyway, for what I do with my computer things has been working fine also after Snow Leopard. Maybe 10.7 wasn't the best release, but 10.8, 10.9 and 10.10 has been working fine for me (yes, I did bump into that network problem on 10.10 once or twice but it was rare).
Sounds like what you say is reasonable. With an external display at high resolution maybe I could also reproduce the problem with the Intel HD 4000 Mac I have.
Second public beta of 10.11.2 was released just recently. Maybe give thst a shot?