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Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.5.1 9B13

Sal Collaziano said:
With all these complaints, it almost sounds as if 10.5.0 shouldn't have been released yet...
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No, the problem is that some people here are just cronic complainers, some just want some features that were removed, other have done something weird to their systems and have blue screens and instability because of that.

I updated (yes updated) 2 laptops and 1 iMac with no issues and no hangs. All 3 run fine, only complain is using TM with a disk being shared is not working correctly, but there is an easy work around .... physically move the disk and plug it into the machine that needs to be backup until Apple fixes the issue.

No big deal, all .0 releases have bugs.
 
psychofreak said:
For me at least, the OS has been very stable, but I can see bugs that should have been fixed for the GM...
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I'll second that. I installed the final 10.5 the day it was released on my main production machine, and it's been excellent. Some minor quirks, and some minor third-party app issues, but it's quite stable and usable. Definitely faster than 10.4 with many apps running thanks to improved VM.
 
spbcat said:
Well, in fact, there is nothing secret on my screen, you can get this if you try to use leopard's app on tiger etc.
And I just gave all you an impression of this update (while Release Notes saying about no issues). I thought it will be interesting for Macrumors forums members.
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I'm not trying to be rude, but ADC provides these seeds so we can test them and report any issues we find back to Apple engineers, not so we can inform the public about issues that may or may not exist when the release is final.
 
Farani said:
a BIG problem they need to fix is when saving or transferring files to a network drive, if the transfer gets interrupted the file gets deleted! I read about this 2 nights ago and had it happen this morning on a paper I was working on. Luckily I'm extremely anal and save my files in literally 4 places (idisk, usb airdisk, hard drive, and flash drive).
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Where you moving files or copying files? From what I've read it only happens when you move files - which most folks don't do.
 
TheSpaz said:
Don't you think Backing up over a network is kinda shaky? Wouldn't you want your files more secure than going over air and hoping everything copied okay? Plus, it would be really really slow. I'm glad they didn't include Airdisk support for Time Machine.
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No it is NOT "shaky" One does not have to just hope it all goes OK. TCP uses checksums on each packet sent with an acknowledgment back to the sender and a re-try on errors. TCP/IP over any media, wired or not is reliable. It's been this way for what, 30+ years now? Actually the wireless protocol adds another layer of data integrity checking on top of what is done on wired connections

Is it slow? That depends on what else is going on over the network. If nothing else is then "n" is fast enough that the network will not be the bottle neck.

Also, After the initial full backup is done which can take hours you really don't care how fast the hourly snapshots are. They happen in the background and go mostly un-noticed and if you could not hear or see the backup drive you might not even know the backup was happening. So speed is unimportant.
 
What about the data loss issues when transferring files over a network to a volume that disappears in the middle of the move?

That's even more embarrassing than Vista running out of memory when copying a large number of files since would have to be copying over 16,000 files to experience it.

Edit: AppleInsider's coverage mentions a bug that might possibly be the same one they say.
 
Alloye said:
If you are an ADC member:

1. Did you read the standard disclaimer in the seed note regarding the use of pre-release software on production systems?

2. Are you aware that you're in violation of your NDA?
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I hate to be the one to point out the obvious....

You DO realize that the VERY FIRST post in this thread is a violation of the NDA to start with. Maybe you shouldn't be so ready to jump on a user if you aren't willing to jump all over the admins.
 
macFanDave said:
You can always join ADC (Apple Developer Connection) if this is so important to you. The cheapest option that MAY get you the seed is $500/year. (One reason I didn't continue as a Select (the $500 level) member is that even at that level, some things were only available to the uber-members (aka Premier, $3500 I think))

They don't test you to see if you are truly a developer, you could be just an enthusiastic hobbyist. The application is as easy as buying a book on Amazon.

(WARNING: Double negative ahead.) So, there is not NO legal way to get the developer seed of 10.5.1, but it is probably more expensive than most of us are willing to pay to get a few weeks' head start on their fellow Mac users. Also, seeds may not be perfect and developers are equipped to find, isolate, and handle bugs. An ordinary user may not be able to handle the rough draft that a seed may represent.
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Just to make things absolutely clear for any non developers who may be thinking about doing this (can't think why they'd want to though!) - it is highly unlikely that this seed will become the actual update: The early seeds are effectively beta versions of the updates and are provided to developers to a) help them test their apps against updates and b) iron out any bugs in the updates. As such, update seeds should never be installed on production systems
 
SeaFox said:
What about the data loss issues when transferring files over a network to a volume that disappears in the middle of the move?

That's even more embarrassing than Vista running out of memory when copying a large number of files since would have to be copying over 16,000 files to experience it.

Edit: AppleInsider's coverage mentions a bug that might possibly be the same one they say.
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Not sure... but this may cover it...
"DesktopServices and moving files across partition"
 
Phil A. said:
What exactly is this repair permissions bug? I've just tried a repair permissions and it worked fine (this is on a 4 disk striped array configured as my Leopard boot disk)
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On my MacBook Pro 160GB drive repairing permissions is a little funky.

At first I thought it was completely broken due to sitting there with a moving status bar for ages, but leave it for 40 minutes and it'll finish up just fine.
 
The two big issues for me personally is:
1. Sort out repairing disk permissions, please dear God
2. Get Back to My Mac to actually work. It's such a cool idea but outside my own personal network it doesn't work.
Vanilla
 
ChrisA said:
No it is NOT "shaky" One does not have to just hope it all goes OK. TCP uses checksums on each packet sent with an acknowledgment back to the sender and a re-try on errors. TCP/IP over any media, wired or not is reliable. It's been this way for what, 30+ years now? Actually the wireless protocol adds another layer of data integrity checking on top of what is done on wired connections

Is it slow? That depends on what else is going on over the network. If nothing else is then "n" is fast enough that the network will not be the bottle neck.

Also, After the initial full backup is done which can take hours you really don't care how fast the hourly snapshots are. They happen in the background and go mostly un-noticed and if you could not hear or see the backup drive you might not even know the backup was happening. So speed is unimportant.
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Actually, I had it working over Airdisk. One airdisk disconnect (surprise surprise) during a small backup (around 2mb) and I had to reformat the Time Machine disk. So.... Yes. It is shaky.
 
spbcat said:
Well, in fact, there is nothing secret on my screen, you can get this if you try to use leopard's app on tiger etc.
And I just gave all you an impression of this update (while Release Notes saying about no issues). I thought it will be interesting for Macrumors forums members.
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Just admitting that you have access to it, or that it even exists is a violation.

Aside from that, sounds like you got a hacked torrent. :) It's works fine.
 
psychofreak said:
802.11n is fast, and not really that shaky at all, people transfer files over WiFi all the time...
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I kinda disagree here. in theory you are correct but since installing leopard my network has been very shaky with intermittent pauses, sometimes for minutes at a time, and is much slower than it was before. plus with the previous bugs people stated about airport in tiger i would like to see proof that all of these issues are addressed before trusting my backup to wifi.
 
Transeau said:
I hate to be the one to point out the obvious....

You DO realize that the VERY FIRST post in this thread is a violation of the NDA to start with. Maybe you shouldn't be so ready to jump on a user if you aren't willing to jump all over the admins.
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Actually, no. Macrumors is publishing a story about a supposed seed of Mac OSX 10.5.1 being released today, and issues it might be addressing.

The contents of the update are information coming by way of an informant. The information they impart may or may not be true. At this point it is nothing more than a rumor. Arn is not an ADC member, he is not the one with access to the build. Macrumors, Arn, et al have not signed NDAs. They are doing nothing more than publishing what someone told them on a blog.

Hence, a RUMOR.
 
Phil A. said:
What exactly is this repair permissions bug? I've just tried a repair permissions and it worked fine (this is on a 4 disk striped array configured as my Leopard boot disk)
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Some process or other executes before the actual permissions repair, and takes an inordinately long time at 100% utilization of one core to do so. It takes about half an hour before the repair begins on my MBP. That's typical of what people have reported, but there have been a couple reports that the repair never started despite being left overnight.

Once the permissions repair actually starts, it goes pretty quickly.

Not a bug I care about much, as I don't repair permissions all that often and it eventually works.
 
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disk utility issue I would think would fall under dusk management. Its a big enough issue I would think it would be addressed.
 
Transeau said:
Just admitting that you have access to it, or that it even exists is a violation.

Aside from that, sounds like you got a hacked torrent. :) It's works fine.
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Take it easy :)
But it's annoying that I'm stuck with ugly browsers and IM clients... Will be more careful now and 'll wait for the first responses. I was taken in by that "No known issues" line *somewhere*.
 
EagerDragon said:
menu bar transparency is not a bug, is there by Apple choice.
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The fact they didn't give the user tools to turn it off in Appearance makes it a bug, IMHO. I have a totally black desktop under the menu bar. So now my menu bar is about 50% gray and far too low contrast for my taste. When the cool factor gets in the way of getting work done, it's not a feature.

Keep those duplicate "transparent menu bar" bug reports coming at bugreporter.apple.com, folks! :D
 
SeaFox said:
Actually, no. Macrumors is publishing a story about a supposed seed of Mac OSX 10.5.1 being released today, and issues it might be addressing.

The contents of the update are information coming by way of an informant. The information they impart may or may not be true. At this point it is nothing more than a rumor. Arn is not an ADC member, he is not the one with access to the build. Macrumors, Arn, et al have not signed NDAs. They are doing nothing more than publishing what someone told them on a blog.

Hence, a RUMOR.
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Well then, using your logic... sbpcat has done nothing wrong... Just reporting a rumor what someone who may update may have problems...
 
heavyboots said:
The fact they didn't give the user tools to turn it off in Appearance makes it a bug, IMHO. I have a totally black desktop under the menu bar. So now my menu bar is about 50% gray and far too low contrast for my taste. When the cool factor gets in the way of getting work done, it's not a feature.

Keep those duplicate "transparent menu bar" bug reports coming at bugreporter.apple.com, folks! :D
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My desktop is black, and I can see my menu just fine. If the coloring of the menu is that distracting to you that you can now work, maybe you need some Zoloft...

I mean, I could understand if you could not read the menus, but to say that the color is "in the way of getting work done" is pretty extreme.
 
Sorry to state the obvious

Transeau said:
I hate to be the one to point out the obvious....

You DO realize that the VERY FIRST post in this thread is a violation of the NDA to start with. Maybe you shouldn't be so ready to jump on a user if you aren't willing to jump all over the admins.
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I dare to say that I'd never believe a build with that significant bugs would leave the house. I don't care, if the screenshot is valid. I just highly doubt, they would really send out a Developer Build with the aforementioned bug.

So thanx for my hefty laugh at pirates :D

So here is to hoping, that 10.5.3 will be a stable build to buy from DVD. At least I'm glad I waited...

...

Must defeat buying impulse!
 
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