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Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.5.1 9B13

OK, I read it and the Prototype License, still not sure, but you are right. Better to be safe than sorry and not discuss it.
I wish Apple had a message board where we could discuss it, it is a little frustrating not knowing if someone already has problem X or filed a bug report.

Alloye said:
Read item 7 of the Terms and Conditions followed by item 3 of the PLCA.
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czeluff said:
Oh heaven forbid some bugs in the initial release of the company's biggest OS. The point is that the issues get resolved rather quickly, unlike some other companies...

It is estimated that for every 1000 lines of code, there is 1 bug in someone's code. The fact that operatig systems run as well as they do is a tribute to the developers and debuggers.

Quit whining.
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i'd hardly call it whining but wont waste the time as its been said too many times since leopards debut.
some of the bugs are megaBUGS!! just cause you dont have problems doesnt mean others dont including me. MEGABUGS all over leopard,much more than any other mac os i can remember and i've been using since 84.
some of these megabugs are not minor by any standard.they are dealbreakers that make leopard unusable.theres no whining here just valid complaints about :apple: cutting major corners here to get it out on time,which wasnt even on time.
bugs are expected of course.but not some of these megabugs.there are huge bugs and faults in leopard that make it unusable by me and countless others.many have downgraded to tiger,I have for now.
it took me a whole 5 minutes to be hit with more than a few big bugs,like the graphic megabugs [do a search] and others.these are readily easily reproducible on other bto macs that are commonplace. out of my friends,probably 80% can pull up these horrid bugs right away.not something thats hiding in the shadows.there is no way,NO way that :apple: didnt know about many of these dealbreaker megabugs when shipping it. either that or they didnt bother,eitherway is just as bad
so stop with the 'stop whining' comments. you'd whine too if you upgraded to a 1.0 release and there were so many glaring bugs and defects
 
tribulation said:
i'd hardly call it whining but wont waste the time as its been said too many times since leopards debut.
some of the bugs are megaBUGS!! just cause you dont have problems doesnt mean others dont including me. MEGABUGS all over leopard,much more than any other mac os i can remember and i've been using since 84.
some of these megabugs are not minor by any standard.they are dealbreakers that make leopard unusable.theres no whining here just valid complaints about :apple: cutting major corners here to get it out on time,which wasnt even on time.
bugs are expected of course.but not some of these megabugs.there are huge bugs and faults in leopard that make it unusable by me and countless others.many have downgraded to tiger,I have for now.
it took me a whole 5 minutes to be hit with more than a few big bugs,like the graphic megabugs [do a search] and others.these are readily easily reproducible on other bto macs that are commonplace. out of my friends,probably 80% can pull up these horrid bugs right away.not something thats hiding in the shadows.there is no way,NO way that :apple: didnt know about many of these dealbreaker megabugs when shipping it. either that or they didnt bother,eitherway is just as bad
so stop with the 'stop whining' comments. you'd whine too if you upgraded to a 1.0 release and there were so many glaring bugs and defects
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I'll admit.. I have no idea what you're talking about. I had issues at first, but after a few reboots to give OS X time to sort things out, it's working perfectly. Some areas have the same bugs that Tiger did, but everything else is working so much better. I guess it's just the luck of the draw.
 
JoshFink said:
lol.. You can't.
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That's the small minded answer -- as if there is an unobtainable standard of quality and reliability that will open the door only to those who can lol at the those who might actually need to ask the question. You should sell "If you have to ask, you can't afford it" items.

If you think your answer helps the dialogue here. You are wrong. Edit your response, JF.



BTW: My first negative comment / response in many years of visiting the site.
 
Ad Pro said:
so leopard 10.5.1 will eventually be availiable / the bug fixes will eventually be availiable through a free software update. Is this right? Or does it mean you would have to buy a newer version of leopard to get the bug fixes?
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Dear god, I hope you haven't fallen for the anti-Apple zealot ******** that you have to pay for every service pack.
 
gnasher729 said:
Probably done on purpose, to scare people away who download new versions only to post on MacRumors. Everything is disabled except software that had bugs that were fixed. That is what these developer seeds are there for: To check whether everything is right before 10.5.1 is released to the public.
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kakiser56 said:
Personally I found this useful and now I know not to install this seed. I am an ADC member and I don't see how this violates the NDA?
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If that message box is in the seed I haven't seen it. I wouldn't let it frighten you away from loading up 9B13. Seems perfectly stable and usable to me but what it fixes I couldn't say.
 
Farani said:
I just have to say that 10.5.0 has been very prone to freezes and glitches for me. I don't mind it at all though. The computer boots so quickly it's not a big deal. Not to mention I expected this since it's 10.5.0. Here's to hoping stability improves with each new build :apple:.

EDIT: This has really only been on my 24" iMac. My Macbook has been perfecto with Leopard.
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And I assume you haven't installed the iMac update yet.....
 
niclet said:
However, I hope they will give users the possibility to choose this feature as they wish, in the System Preferences.

;)
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Since when does Apple 'give' users a choice?

I thought it was Steve's way, or the 3rd Party Hacks way?! ;)

-Kevin
 
Alloye said:
I'm not trying to be rude, but ADC provides these seeds so we can test them and report any issues we find back to Apple engineers, not so we can inform the public about issues that may or may not exist when the release is final.
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True, and all companies go through the same thing; for example, when I was testing Vermillion B76 (GNOME for Solaris) I came accross an evolution bug which the internal testing (employees within Sun) did not come across.

Whether something works or does is based on on the setup of the machine; what may have shown no inclination of problems with internal testing; once out in the wild with different combinations of software installed, might rear its ugly head.
 
My biggest complaint is the 2-6 minute boot time for Powermac G4s and all 3rd party Nvidia video card upgrades. Since all such cards work fine in Tiger, it makes it seem like Apple is closing down Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard to 3rd party upgrades just like it's done to the iPhone. Either that or Apple is trying to discourage Powermac G4 users from using Leopard so they'll go out and buy a brand new Mac Pro. Sad either way. Fix it Apple. You know what you did. It's obviously purposeful since the bug affects so many graphics cards and all Powermac G4s using those Nvidia graphics cards.
 
Maniamac said:
If you're referring to the GeForce FX 5200 or its mobile variant, then I have some bad news for you:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306894

"Some graphics cards, such as an NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200, may not have the necessary OpenGL capabilities to display a translucent menu bar even though they are compatible with Core Image. Those cards should render most effects, but not the translucent menu bar."

On October 30, an Apple Support rep told me that a bug was responsible for the opaque menu bar, and that in "two to four weeks," 10.5.1 would fix it. The Support Doc, updated 6 November, makes it seem as though this is no longer the case.
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Ah! I'm disappointed. Well, I didn't saw the updated version. So I guess you're right, those cards will not cross the line!

But I thought other cards were involved in this "bug"?
 
vvebsta said:
I feel your pain about the iDisk sync. Apple need to be reading up on all these customer problems. Do they read these boards?
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Why not submit feedback directly to Apple, where you know it will be read?

Relying on forums and Apple to read all them is nuts!

I do know they read their feedback however. The more that people give Apple direct feedback the better chance your issue may get addressed! :)
 
HyperZboy said:
My biggest complaint is the 2-6 minute boot time for Powermac G4s and all 3rd party Nvidia video card upgrades. Since all such cards work fine in Tiger, it makes it seem like Apple is closing down Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard to 3rd party upgrades just like it's done to the iPhone. Either that or Apple is trying to discourage Powermac G4 users from using Leopard so they'll go out and buy a brand new Mac Pro. Sad either way. Fix it Apple. You know what you did. It's obviously purposeful since the bug affects so many graphics cards and all Powermac G4s using those Nvidia graphics cards.
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My Powermac Dual 1Ghz G4 with Nvidia card boots up in less than a minute.
 

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jonny said:
Actually, I had it working over Airdisk. One airdisk disconnect (surprise surprise) during a small backup (around 2mb) and I had to reformat the Time Machine disk. So.... Yes. It is shaky.
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It was shaky - for you. With that being said, the consumer shouldn't be 'protected for their own good' - if the consumer wants to use their air disk, offer a warning each time it is launched about the unpredictability of using it, then leave the user alone.

For me, my wireless network is no less reliable than my wired; but then again, I tend not to have a mansion; every place my house is close to the base station.
 
kaiwai said:
It was shaky - for you. With that being said, the consumer shouldn't be 'protected for their own good' - if the consumer wants to use their air disk, offer a warning each time it is launched about the unpredictability of using it, then leave the user alone.

For me, my wireless network is no less reliable than my wired; but then again, I tend not to have a mansion; every place my house is close to the base station.
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Wasn't I just arguing with you on Digg?

Jesus @#$%ing Christ, the Internets get smaller every day.
 
jtalbert said:
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/3A109a Safari/419.3)

disk utility issue I would think would fall under dusk management.
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I think you meant to type "duck management". And
yes, the disk utility is not all it's quacked up to be.
 
cohibadad said:
My Powermac Dual 1Ghz G4 with Nvidia card boots up in less than a minute.
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BTW is yours Apple stock

He wasnt talking about a Geforce 4 MX, he was talking about Geforce cards like a 6200, 6600, 6800, AGP or 7800 GS AGP, or other Geforce card .

all of the cards like the above in a G4 system make leopard hang on boot for 2-6 minutes. these in a G5 running Leopard will usually not show any boot freeze even if they was a PC card flashed to Mac or stock.

now the same cards as mentioned above in a G4 running Leopard will result in a 2 - 6 minute boot freeze.

and the same cards flashed or not running on a G4 or G5 running Tiger work just fine with no issue what so ever, but a G4 with one of the above cards running Leopard
will result in a Boot freeze everytime

it seems as tho the Radeon's ( 9800 pro and others) cards flashed or not don't have a single issue on a G4 running leopard.

this is what he was talking about


and it seems as if Apple is trying to shut the door on Leopard
 
madmax_2069 said:
BTW is yours Apple stock

He wasnt talking about a Geforce 4 MX, he was talking about Geforce cards like a 6200, 6600, 6800, AGP or 7800 GS AGP, or other Geforce card .


and it seems as if Apple is trying to shut the door on Leopard
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I can't remember if the card is stock it's been so long. I seem to remember upgrading the card after purchase but I may be wrong. But why would you assume Apple is intentionally causing this problem? Apple has never gone out of their way to support 3rd party video cards and I would assume this is just the result.
 
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