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I can't remember if the card is stock it's been so long. I seem to remember upgrading the card after purchase but I may be wrong. But why would you assume Apple is intentionally causing this problem? Apple has never gone out of their way to support 3rd party video cards and I would assume this is just the result.


then why does the same cards run just fine in Leopard on a G5 system and get a boot hang for 2 - 6 minutes on a G4.

also why does the same cards run just fine in Tiger on a G4
 
sms from adress book

I want SMS messaging out of Address Book back. I'm not impressed by features being deleted after I've paid £100+ for an upgrade.

I second that, where is that super functionality gone to ,damn .

PS i already send an email about it to the mac osx support team, thats all i can do basicly for now.
 
I second that, where is that super functionality gone to damn .

It's "gone" to the iPhone I suspect. :(

I loved that feature too, it was really handy if I needed to send text reaaally fast..

I've got to admit, Leopard has been slightly shaky for me.. Initially it was crashtastic.. kernel panics all over the place. It settled pretty fast and now I only have a full blown system freeze (where everything locks up other than the mouse) every couple of days.. Thats on my G5 anyway.. It's perfect on my Macbook (literally *no* issues).. A lot of the things .1 seems to be addressing seem promising as fixes for my G5's weird behaviour.. Here's hoping..

Oh, and weirdly my flashed 9800Pro has got much *more* reliable under leopard. There were certain core image tasks that replicatably froze the system under Tiger.. Now the same tasks don't anymore.. The current UI freezes I get seem to be related to USB storage.. Which is a pain as my TM drive is USB, queue huge indexing times with increased chance of hangs.. Wah. I'm really happy with Leopard sofar anyway.. Occasional hangs are worth it for the speed. Can't wait for .1 to see if it helps at all.
 
then why does the same cards run just fine in Leopard on a G5 system and get a boot hang for 2 - 6 minutes on a G4.

also why does the same cards run just fine in Tiger on a G4

I am no expert on this and I don't doubt that you could be right. So you are saying Apple coded Leopard intentionally to cause this problem on G4 hardware but not G5 hardware? Just seems unlikely to me. Not impossible. And their motive would be to force G4 hardware that had been upgraded to maximize performance and lengthen usable life to buy new Apple machines? I suppose to offset the number of people who upgraded to Leopard and gained performance, features, etc. rather than purchasing new machines? The number of Apple G4 buyers who upgraded their video card is probably lower by a couple magnitudes than even the number of potential Mac Pro mini potential buyers. Seems too devious and potentially self-destructive to go to all that trouble and cause themselves more support headaches.
 
I have to disagree. Some protocols to transfer files just drop them over the wall and hope they get there. This is a backup, as such IT IS expected to arrive at the other end intact or the system needs to re-transmit. I do not think Apple is that stupid.

Considering Apple's programmers DELETE files before it is safely written during a move operation that encountered exceptions... think again.
 
I have none of your mentioned problems, but have these two important ones:

1. Safari crashes (freezes) quite often. Must force-quit and send report to apple

2. Front row stops playing when navigating away from music section or leaving FR. In Tiger it would keep playing in iTunes. FR also forgets what was playing and at what position. Very inconvenient if I want to leave FR to quickly check a Skype message for example

As for Time Machine and AirDisk - I think wireless is too slow and unreliable for now.

Peace! :apple:
 
Hopefully they will fix the printing issue (I can't print anymore to Windows network printers and Bonjour printers) and that they fix the Airport issues and the bugs related to Spaces. Menubar shown in the Spaces mode when you activate it during Quicktime Full Screen playback. Of course, also fixing the screenshot functionality which is currently broken will be nice too.
 
also fixing the screenshot functionality which is currently broken will be nice too.

what are you talking about, screenshots isn't broken , command+shift+3 to take a full screenshot, command+shift+4 to select what you want to take a screenshot of (AKA drag the pointer over what you want to take a screenshot of).

works just fine for me



this was taken using command+shift+4

or was you talking about taking screen grabs from a playing movie
 
I mean making screenshots by using the Apple-Shift-3 it then makes the Sound for the screenshot. But no images on the Desktop, Documents or Pictures folder. Not working... Full reinstall of MacOSX Leopard earlier.

If I look on the desktop I see this:

-rw-r--r--@ 1 thomas staff 0 Nov 8 10:43 .Picture 1.png-GtSR
-rw-r--r--@ 1 thomas staff 0 Nov 5 00:32 .Picture 1.png-HSS1
-rw-r--r--@ 1 thomas staff 0 Nov 5 00:32 .Picture 1.png-IcQa
-rw-r--r--@ 1 thomas staff 0 Nov 5 00:32 .Picture 1.png-Lazh
-rw-r--r--@ 1 thomas staff 0 Nov 5 00:32 .Picture 1.png-Nmzt
-rw-r--r--@ 1 thomas staff 0 Nov 8 10:43 .Picture 1.png-QTIA
-rw-r--r--@ 1 thomas staff 0 Nov 5 00:32 .Picture 1.png-ShjT
-rw-r--r--@ 1 thomas staff 0 Nov 5 00:30 .Picture 1.png-d2Zx
-rw-r--r--@ 1 thomas staff 0 Nov 5 00:30 .Picture 1.png-fMvK
-rw-r--r--@ 1 thomas staff 0 Nov 5 00:32 .Picture 1.png-j8We
-rw-r--r--@ 1 thomas staff 0 Nov 5 00:32 .Picture 1.png-sQTU
-rw-r--r--@ 1 thomas staff 0 Nov 5 00:32 .Picture 1.png-uQqU
-rw-r--r--@ 1 thomas staff 0 Nov 8 10:27 .Picture 1.png-wP3P
-rw-r--r--@ 1 thomas staff 0 Nov 8 10:43 .Picture 1.png-xmrW
 
Updates are all good.

Judging from the chat in this thread I've been really lucky. 10.5.0 has been stable and fast for me and has sorted the slow WiFi speeds I've had since the first OS update my MacBook had. I've tried all of the apps I use and haven't had any probs.

But the more this OS matures, it can only get better
 
Wasn't I just arguing with you on Digg?

Jesus @#$%ing Christ, the Internets get smaller every day.

*shrugs* The last article I replied to on Digg was relating to GIMP; I certainly haven't had any arguments with anyone on digg as I tend to hang out more here, Appleinsider and arstechnica.
 
I mean making screenshots by using the Apple-Shift-3 it then makes the Sound for the screenshot. But no images on the Desktop, Documents or Pictures folder. Not working... Full reinstall of MacOSX Leopard earlier.

If I look on the desktop I see this:
Cmd-Shift-3 works fine for me. :)
 
Can this thread be not about that one user and arguments over NDA? He's clearly not a developer and not violating any NDA, but just a user who stumbled on a developer seed and realized first hand what developer seeds really are (not updates).

You can't get a developer seed without either being under an NDA, or someone breaching their NDA. Either way, it is completely unethical and if Apple hangs them up by their ****s that's fine with me. I don't want anything that gives Apple reasons to make it harder for developers to get these seeds.

You should also remember that this is a trade secret violation, which is a criminal offence, whether you are under NDA or not.
 
Something tells me that Time Machine will not work via Airdisk until buggy firmware for aeBS (yes emphasis on BS) is fixed. The airdisk has never worked perfectly for me, on any of the firmware revisions.

Too right!! I keep the AEBS agent running in the hopes that it will one day suggest updating to something other than 7.2.1. 7.2 works, but I still have to reset (read: take disk out, connect to MB, mount, then unmount, plug it back in AEBS, pray it will last..... it never does) the disk.

I haven't even attempted the TM workaround to make it work on Airdisk. It's just not worth it.

How long have we been stuck with 7.2.1 anyway? Seems like forever :(
 
I would bet you 99.9% of the users have had nothing but good impressions (and I'll bet even higher than that). So no there is not a lack of spit-and-shine, just some honest to goodness bugs that are often because of customizations and changes. The issues in Leopard have been no worse than your average point release upgrade.

Its so funny that people seem to have latched onto this file move bug as an "OMG, LEOPARD IS SO BUGGY AND AWFUL" thing when even the press release itself state that this has been confirmed as far back as Panther. What does it have to do with Leopard?

I have to admit I am more impressed as I use it -- this is my first full day working on a leopard system, and I am impressed by the speed and responsiveness relative to Tiger, and I may warm to Spaces yet -- its implementation is slick, and combined with the other OSX interface niceties (bouncing icons to tell you input is needed) it seems to really work well.

Sure there are bugs -- stacks, the embarrassing issue of Time Machine not working with Aperture, but as a point-oh release its pretty good.

I made a test install on my iBook, which is only used to serve media. Everything went well. Then installed on the MB. For a dotzero release I'm very impressed.

What's really nice, is that I took a bunch of source-code from our production Solaris box, took out all the platform specific stuff in the headers, and compiled. After waiting for a while (approx. 4 cups of coffee), NO ERRORS. I mean none, not even a warning.

Called my boss in, started the program up..... End result? We've set up a group to talk to apple and set up an enterprise purchasing program!

This has NEVER been possible before on OSX!!. I predict that our development division will be running on M((B(P))/Pros)/XServes within 3 years. Well, maybe that's a bit optimistic, but.... :)

Yeah, the interface is new and shiny, but the UNIX certification is what really does it for me. They've done a fantastic job with the under-the-hood stuff.
 
I would bet you 99.9% of the users have had nothing but good impressions (and I'll bet even higher than that). So no there is not a lack of spit-and-shine, just some honest to goodness bugs that are often because of customizations and changes. The issues in Leopard have been no worse than your average point release upgrade.

Its so funny that people seem to have latched onto this file move bug as an "OMG, LEOPARD IS SO BUGGY AND AWFUL" thing when even the press release itself state that this has been confirmed as far back as Panther. What does it have to do with Leopard?

I have to admit I am more impressed as I use it -- this is my first full day working on a leopard system, and I am impressed by the speed and responsiveness relative to Tiger, and I may warm to Spaces yet -- its implementation is slick, and combined with the other OSX interface niceties (bouncing icons to tell you input is needed) it seems to really work well.

Sure there are bugs -- stacks, the embarrassing issue of Time Machine not working with Aperture, but as a point-oh release its pretty good.

I think this wraps up this whole discussion nicely.;)
 
Where can we get this seed if we are not developers?

You don't and you wouldn't want it. Really. Beta Versions of Patches for an existing bug. Doesn't sound like a good thing to have... People who use these developer versions normally don't have important information on their boxes and are confortable doing a clean whipe and reinstall if it doesn't work and can't undo. Many times the fix is worse then the actual bug. That is why it is tested.
 
Considering Apple's programmers DELETE files before it is safely written during a move operation that encountered exceptions... think again.

Yes... Apple designed their app this way. I Think they actually had 6... no wait... 7 highly paid software designers have a meeting about this actually. They actually agreed that, they wanted Mac OS X to delete files without a succesful copy.


YOUR AN MORON! This is BUG, not a FEATURE. It wasn't 'programmed' that way on purpose!
 
Well, in fact, there is nothing secret on my screen, you can get this if you try to use leopard's app on tiger etc.
And I just gave all you an impression of this update (while Release Notes saying about no issues). I thought it will be interesting for Macrumors forums members.

As a registered dev myself with 10.5.1.... as far as i can see you have violated the NDA.

Everything is disabled except software that had bugs that were fixed.

Not quite sure why you said that not only for the fact that Safari has some issues of its own...
 
You can't get a developer seed without either being under an NDA, or someone breaching their NDA. Either way, it is completely unethical and if Apple hangs them up by their ****s that's fine with me. I don't want anything that gives Apple reasons to make it harder for developers to get these seeds.

You should also remember that this is a trade secret violation, which is a criminal offence, whether you are under NDA or not.

Oh go away already. Since when did so many Macrumors users get all preachy and high and mighty, its gettin fricken annoying...
 
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