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Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.5.2 and Java SE 6 Preview 8 for Leopard

Sticking with Tiger for now.

quietmind said:
I must say that I feel pretty secure on Tiger right now, which seems to be comparatively rock solid. Obviously, it doesn't have the same features, but it's not like using Windows 3.1 or some such thing.
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Same here. Had loads of problems with Leopard, not to mention incompatibility with dozens of great programs.

Why trade rock solid Tiger for dubious improvements and hundreds upon hundreds of bugs.

(Dubious improvements based on the fact that before Leopard, Tiger was the 'best' operating system in the world... can't improve on the best that much can you? Apparently not!)
 
As always your mileage will vary with a new OS. My mail.app doesn't hang but sometimes when it has been open for a while it stops send/receive and will not shot down.

I haven't really pushed any boundaries in Leopard but the new features to me are well worth any growing pains. I've used the new Google infused Addressbook features and iCal is now something I'll actually try. Hell I've even used Automator for some basic things.

Software is never "done" and Apple no exception. It's nice to see Java 6 coming but let's be honest. You have people here sounding off like Leopard is the antichrist because a feature or two doesn't work well and yet another group sounding off about the lack of a feature.

Software developers know they can't win..they're damned either way so they may as well ship stuff when they feel they have things ready enough.
 
64-bit capable processor a requirement for Java?

Well, there goes Java for the CoreDuos and G4's. Goodbye iMac and Mac Mini CoreDuos (and of course the MacBook and MacBook Pros). Now you'll need a Core2Duo or better.

Man, that was short. Who'd have thought it would be Java that would kill-off the 32-BIT systems?
 
Absolute ********!

Java 6 is available only for Leopard?

This completely eliminates any interest in doing Java on Apple for me. I'll focus on Java for Linux only.
 
nuckinfutz said:
As always your mileage will vary with a new OS. My mail.app doesn't hang but sometimes when it has been open for a while it stops send/receive and will not shot down.

I haven't really pushed any boundaries in Leopard but the new features to me are well worth any growing pains. I've used the new Google infused Addressbook features and iCal is now something I'll actually try. Hell I've even used Automator for some basic things.

Software is never "done" and Apple no exception. It's nice to see Java 6 coming but let's be honest. You have people here sounding off like Leopard is the antichrist because a feature or two doesn't work well and yet another group sounding off about the lack of a feature.

Software developers know they can't win..they're damned either way so they may as well ship stuff when they feel they have things ready enough.
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Regarding Java 6, there is nothing in the language that requires a baseline for a 64 bit processor architecture only.

This is a strategic maneuver to minimize engineering resources on Java within Apple.

I'd have no problem with this if Apple would re-release WebObjects 5.4 as WebObjects 6.0 for Cocoa only. That would justify this transition.

Since they have made no effort to go in this direction they would rather kill off the AppServer market options for them and focus on every moron and their incessant need to have the latest portable audio/video toy.
 
Apart from some teething issues (kernel panics in .0, occasional (one every couple of weeks?) UI hangs now).. I've not had any issues with Mail or Safari, photoshop, any of the Apple 1st party apps, they've been going like troopers, and Mail has a lot of Mail in it. :D (10k msgs, 4 mailboxes)

Makes me happy when stuff "just works" .. Makes it weird that so many others' installs just haven't worked so well. When .1 came out i started recommending to all my Mac using (non techy) friends they start upgrading to Leopard.. But if serious issues still need ironing out, it's hard to know who they're going to affect.

All in all though, 5.2 is great news! looking forward to it.

Also, great news about Java! The Mrs does Java so she'll be happy to hear that. :D
 
It's a gonna happen....

iJawn108 said:
if that's the case and apple is allready rejecting it's 32 bit user base... I dunno what to say.
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Start saving your euros for a 64-bit machine, it's only a matter of time before 32-bit is on the dust heap.

(Same advice applies to Windows users, by the way....)
 
Hopefully they will fix the buggy Mail. The spotlight refuses to search inside any new messages until the index is force-renewed.

At the same time, Safari has not crashed once on me.
 
emotion said:
Apple: please fix Mail.app. It's pretty buggy in Leopard.
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I have not found any issues on my G5. Its interesting though. I certainly believe you, of course! However, there seems to be distinct issues with PPC versus Intel Macs. Both have their share of bugs! Could we compile a list of comparisons?

mdriftmeyer said:
Absolute ********!

Java 6 is available only for Leopard?

This completely eliminates any interest in doing Java on Apple for me. I'll focus on Java for Linux only.
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Uh, Sorry dude, this IS an Apple forum.....

flyinmac said:
64-bit capable processor a requirement for Java?

Well, there goes Java for the CoreDuos and G4's. Goodbye iMac and Mac Mini CoreDuos (and of course the MacBook and MacBook Pros). Now you'll need a Core2Duo or better.

Man, that was short. Who'd have thought it would be Java that would kill-off the 32-BIT systems?
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So what. 32 bit has been obsolete for years! My G5 is from 2003! Save some cash, go get a G5 or a new Core 2 Duo.

ryanw said:
I installed clean but brought in my mail from my OSX 10.4 tiger install. I have over 4gb of mail doing my personal and business mail. Mail.app has worked great for me.
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4GB??? You must feel REAL important.....
 
I've given up on using Mail.app on Leopard (Gmail's web interface works fine for now) and Safari 3 (Firefox works fine), but the WiFi issues are still driving me nuts. Half the time I go into my office to use my desktop it's dropped my wireless connection and I have to reselect my network. iChat hasn't seen a lot of use lately since I can't get it to stay connected while I'm away.

Leopard isn't bad, and it's got a lot of little nice tweaks to Tiger, but I'm really regretting upgrading my G4 Mac Mini. It may be faster, but a system that tells me I'm not connected to the internet twice as fast is still pretty useless.
 
Two bugs stand out to me.....

1. Major one is Wifi drops in and out often for no reason. Really frustrating! When I look at the meter it says "scanning..."

2. This is small but I don't get the sound when I receive new mail. I get the indicator but no sound. Have no idea why. Perhaps I am the only one.

I like Leopard very much but small bugs sometime get irritating more than anything but the Wifi issue is serious.
 
ckurowic said:
Uh, Sorry dude, this IS an Apple forum.....
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And apple deserve a slap in the face for the completely, utterly, in-every-way craptastic job they have done of supporting the modern java VM. They are CONSTANTLY incredibly late at providing support for the latest releases. I believe that the final version of Java 6 has been around for over a year now. And they are still hacking out developer previews, not to mention they don't have it working on the processors of 90% of the macs out there.

Complete crap. I would strongly recommend against doing Java for OS X, and I have to for work.
 
ckurowic said:
So what. 32 bit has been obsolete for years! My G5 is from 2003! Save some cash, go get a G5 or a new Core 2 Duo.
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Not an issue for me (check my signature). But, I was simply commenting on the fact that it kind of sucks that you either need an older computer (G5) or a much newer machine (Core2Duo or better).

I never liked the fact that Apple stepped down to 32-BIT processors when they switched to Intel.

Seems pretty lame for them to succeed a 64-BIT machine with a 32-BIT machine. Then, to take so long switching the entire line over to 64-BIT processors again. Then, release an update that requires 64-BIT processors.

Considering that the Mac Mini was still 32-BIT's until August of 2007 (just a short 4 months ago), it seems a bit early for them to say "Tough Luck guys".

Not that I have to worry about it myself. I just think they should go more than 4 months before issuing an update that requires replacing an entire (4 month old) computer to use it.
 
As long as they fix those annoying sleep from wake issues and the wifi problems I'm good! It's hella annoying to try to type something and notice that your keyboard isn't working. I have to reboot everytime. And when I open my Macbook Pro after more than 6 hours I have to reboot because the trackpad doesn't respond. Oh, and we can't forget about how the screen doesn't turn back on after you wake it from sleep. [sarcasm]But other than that, and the fact that wifi drops more than it should my macbook is perfect!![/sarcasm]

I should've stuck with Tiger...
 
Apple promised OSX would be the best Java development platform. At the moment it isn't, that honour belongs to Linux. Hopefully, things will change with Java 6.

Hopefully Java 6 will fix the long, ongoing AWT-SWT bug that plagues OSX.
 
What is it with apple and crappy wifi connections, and sleep/wake problems?
It's seems an ongoing problem.
I was having wakeup problems on my Pismo G3 and my Pismo G4 and now my Macbook (although largely sorted since the last tiger update).

I'm not making the leap to Tiger for quite a while if I can help it.

Hmmm saying that, whatever new developer tools they bring out in feb will probably sway me.
 
Safari crashes have got to stop. I know it just isn't with mine as some others here have had that problem AND countless others I know in real life that use Leopard on their Desktops, MBP's, iMacs, etc....I am hoping this newest update stops a majority of them

Someone mentioned the Mail.app problem....AMEN

Outside of those two problems, I am satisfied with Leopard but I hope the next few months have a good bit of bugs fixed
 
riversky said:
Two bugs stand out to me.....

1. Major one is Wifi drops in and out often for no reason. Really frustrating! When I look at the meter it says "scanning..."

2. This is small but I don't get the sound when I receive new mail. I get the indicator but no sound. Have no idea why. Perhaps I am the only one.

I like Leopard very much but small bugs sometime get irritating more than anything but the Wifi issue is serious.
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Have you checked Mail Preferences-General and see if the sound for new mail has a sound selected? It may be set to none.
 
psychofreak said:
Yes, its here:)

EDIT: Link removed, apparently I'm not allowed to share already-perfected internal builds from Apple
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Yea, I have the "already-perfected external build" :cool: (no problems as of yet, if I completely forget about Java)

And no Java for PPC? :confused: What crap! :mad:
 
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