Errm. I'm not moaning. I'm concerned. It says in the article that this release only works on 64-bit machines.
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Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.5.2 and Java SE 6 Preview 8 for Leopard
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Errm. I'm not moaning. I'm concerned. It says in the article that this release only works on 64-bit machines.
I can see a very simple reason for only releasing a 64bit version of Java for Leopard. Servers. Simple. J2EE and other services.
Jobs hates Java for clients. He openly hates it. But Servers are another matter.
Jobs hates Java for clients. He openly hates it. But Servers are another matter.
Do you think they will address the issues concerning the jerky and slow GUI-animations?
I mean, Dashboard, Expose, Spaces, Dock, Minimize + Maximize among other animations are at all not adequate, and Í'm running a 3 week old MBP.
Topic : Not Smooth, Jerky & Slow.
Minimize effect really slow - not smooth
Leopard not as smooth on native resolution? MBP! Help!
I mean, Dashboard, Expose, Spaces, Dock, Minimize + Maximize among other animations are at all not adequate, and Í'm running a 3 week old MBP.
Topic : Not Smooth, Jerky & Slow.
Minimize effect really slow - not smooth
Leopard not as smooth on native resolution? MBP! Help!
I'm finding it rather funny that everyone replying to this thread bashing about Java being 64-bit only. This is a developer seed. Why is everyone (no, not everyone, but you know, might as well) basing their opinion on pre-released software? May be Apple think this build is not stable enough for other architecture? May be they aren't ready? May be they want to test 64-bit performance gains? Who knows.
Although I don't speak for Apple, but I doubt Java SE 6 will be 64-bit only.
EDIT: I see "emotion" posted something similar... I'm a slow poster. =P
Although I don't speak for Apple, but I doubt Java SE 6 will be 64-bit only.
EDIT: I see "emotion" posted something similar... I'm a slow poster. =P
bah, this Java 6 news seems like another attempt to get everyone to switch to Leopard. When are Apple going to realise there are a lot of Java developers using OSX these days, and we are all crying out for 1.6 support, and not everyone wants to sacrifice their stable Tiger development environments for some new eye candy.
I'm doing my best to develop a small game thats cross platform supported, but having a dependence on Java6 is gonna affect a significant portion of the mac audience.
Hopefully the open source Java movement will eliminate the dependence on Apple soon. I found this the other day which looks quite promising alternative.
http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/static/soylatte/
Although for me the ideal solution would be for Sun to take control of the OSX JVM.
I'm doing my best to develop a small game thats cross platform supported, but having a dependence on Java6 is gonna affect a significant portion of the mac audience.
Hopefully the open source Java movement will eliminate the dependence on Apple soon. I found this the other day which looks quite promising alternative.
http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/static/soylatte/
Although for me the ideal solution would be for Sun to take control of the OSX JVM.
but nothing is done to make the system more responsive. Windows people sitting on my computers are often amazed at how often they have to wait for things to happen.
Hopefully the "printing issues" covers fixing the breakdown in printing from Word, Excel and PowerPoint in MS Office 2004. The more I read about this problem the more it seemed to be an O/S problem rather than an application problem. I'm no expert though so with any luck Apple and MS are working together to fix it asap.
Aside from at startup I never have slowdowns on my MB Core Duo with 2GB RAM, so maybe its time for a RAM upgrade? 1GB is really the minimum.
I have the same issue, apple just basically ignores you after buying a 2400 laptop, at least they fixed the keyboard error, I had people using 599 laptop laughing at me at times when my keyboard froze ...
it's terrible, I'm a java developer myself and leopard has caused so much problems, keyboard, jerkyness, no java 6, buggy java 5 on leopard (weird stacktraces & shutdowns of java apps) ... people around me are making fun of the situation, and I can't blame them because they are right.
I'm considering going to linux using compiz for the eye candy and then just have all the stability I need.
Did you do an archive and install or erase and install when updating to Leopard? If you did an "Upgrade" reinstall it with an Archive and Install and most of your problems should go away, that applies to everyone posting in this thread about Leopard problems.
*slaps head*
This is not a release of Java. As has been pointed out many times this is just going out as a seed.
Blacky, the horrendous GUI-performance has killed the whole smooth and snappy GUI-experience I was left with after using Tiger for months.
Apple seriously needs to fix this in 10.5.2.
I read somewhere in my links that Macs with intel onboard graphic card's not experiencing these slow jerky non-smooth animations like users with high-end graphic cards do.
So MacBooks and Mac Mini's seem to not be affected.
And yes, I performed an "Erase & Install" on my MacBook Pro, and I'm still experiencing GUI-animation-issues with my nVidia 8600 128mbram card.
Apple seriously needs to fix this in 10.5.2.
I read somewhere in my links that Macs with intel onboard graphic card's not experiencing these slow jerky non-smooth animations like users with high-end graphic cards do.
So MacBooks and Mac Mini's seem to not be affected.
And yes, I performed an "Erase & Install" on my MacBook Pro, and I'm still experiencing GUI-animation-issues with my nVidia 8600 128mbram card.
10.5.2 has a monster delta
Looks like 10.5.2 could hold the new world record for the biggest delta update. 355MB. Has any other delta been bigger?
It would be hilarious (but in a very sick way) if Apple limit Java 6 support to Core 2 Duo/Extreme and Xeon. A lot of my customers use a business critical Java product which recently forced them all to Tiger because of Java 5 requirement. I can see them going to Java 6-only. They're covered by AMP... so Leopard isn't necessarily an issue. They do have a lot of pre-64-bit Intel Macs. They're liable to replace them with PCs.
Looks like 10.5.2 could hold the new world record for the biggest delta update. 355MB. Has any other delta been bigger?
It would be hilarious (but in a very sick way) if Apple limit Java 6 support to Core 2 Duo/Extreme and Xeon. A lot of my customers use a business critical Java product which recently forced them all to Tiger because of Java 5 requirement. I can see them going to Java 6-only. They're covered by AMP... so Leopard isn't necessarily an issue. They do have a lot of pre-64-bit Intel Macs. They're liable to replace them with PCs.
This is exactly why they won't drop 32 bit support in Java. Regardless of Job's view on Java the rest of the world does use it and Apple would definitely lose a lot of business if they went that way.
If you bought your machine in May it is still in warranty. If you wi-fi doesn't work, then it will be fixed by Apple free of charge. End of story. Why are you complaining here? Of course what you probably mean is not that your wi-fi doesn't work at all, but that you are having problems with your own wi-fi connection at home. If your wi-fi connection doesn't work at home and it works everywhere else, go figure. Is it really likely that Apple put a bug in the software so that your wi-fi specifically wouldn't work in your own home?
I've always found the people at the Apple Genius bars very helpful, if you r problem is replicateable, they will fix it.
For future reference Archive and Install is really just as good on a Mac. The Advantage of Archive/Erase and Install is that it rewrites the whole system so if you made any modifications (e.g. by installing Uno), to the base system those changes will be overwritten and won't cause problems.
I think the GUI-animation-issues with the Santa Rosa MBP are caused by crappy drivers for the graphics card rather than a Leopard issue, regardless you should contact Apple so they know its an issue.
To show how slow bug reports to Apple can be. According to the duplicate bug report ID the fact that Stacks have less functionality than folders under Tiger was originally reported to Apple around the end of November.
That the problem can be replicated.
Well, you better call up Apple and tell them not to bother with 10.5.2 then. Silly Apple, thinking they've found and fixed bugs when you know there's no bugs at all.
My install of Leopard has allways worked fine........
My only problem with Leopard is the Screen Sharing over iChat who doesn't work and iChat crashing all the time !
Apart from that no problem at all so far and love Leopard !!!
PS: No problems at all with wifi !!!!
What do you think it means? Why are you being so picky? Replicateable is fairly commonly used to mean something which can be replicated. OK so the correct word is 'replicable' but who uses that these days? If you can replicate a problem - if it is replicateable - it makes it a hell of a lot easy for someone else to work out what's wrong.
I don't understand why so many people are having so many issues with leapard. Maybe its because I've suffered through various xp machines for so long? I have had very few issues since the leopard upgrade. And my AEBS issues under Tiger are now a thing of the past.
I have those problems on my Gen 1 2 GHz CD Macbook with 2 GB RAM. Big apps are faster in Leopard, but responsiveness of the user interface is pretty bad in Leopard. I disabled dock scaling because it looks terrible in Leopard, the icons just don't scale smoothly. :-(