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Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.5.2 and Java SE 6 Preview 8 for Leopard

I've been using Leopard since Oct. and the only problem I've experienced are the memory leaks with Safari. Since I switched to the Webkit nighlty builds, no more memory leak problems ...

Everything else - Mail, iPhoto, Sleep/Wake, etc has worked perfectly

Java 6 support ? That would be a nice update
 
Apple Java Apologists

Well, this Java pre-release should silence all those folks who were trying to defend Apple, claiming Java 6 would be "just around the corner". From the release, it's pretty obvious that we're a long way from a stable Java 6 on MacOS that runs on all the machines Leopard runs on.

If you're a Java developer, time to go visit www.dell.com...
 
ckurowic said:
Uh, Sorry dude, this IS an Apple forum.....
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Grow up. I was working at NeXT before this Java thing took hold. The fact it's here doesn't change the fact that AppServer work is predominantly Java based.

Booga said:
Well, this Java pre-release should silence all those folks who were trying to defend Apple, claiming Java 6 would be "just around the corner". From the release, it's pretty obvious that we're a long way from a stable Java 6 on MacOS that runs on all the machines Leopard runs on.

If you're a Java developer, time to go visit www.dell.com...
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You don't get it. There was a Java 6 build before Leopard was out in development. Then they pulled it. This is a change and I respect them making the change, but they should have supplanted it with WebObjects 6 and ObjC/Cocoa.

Give me back the tool that made Web Development enjoyable. Moving it to another RAD environment gives me no need to develop Java on OS X. Obviously this doesn't affect my interest in Cocoa Client Apps.
 
mdriftmeyer said:
You don't get it. There was a Java 6 build before Leopard was out in development. Then they pulled it. This is a change and I respect them making the change, but they should have supplanted it with WebObjects 6 and ObjC/Cocoa.

Give me back the tool that made Web Development enjoyable. Moving it to another RAD environment gives me no need to develop Java on OS X. Obviously this doesn't affect my interest in Cocoa Client Apps.
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I "get it". I'm a Java developer who can no longer work on a Mac. And yes, I had the 10.4 pre-release of Java 6. It sucked too, and they don't appear to have made a huge amount of progress in the last year.

So I can't develop Java on the Mac, and then when I do "fun" projects on the Mac, I have to use the awful XCode environment. Apple is about 10 years behind the state-of-the-art in software development and not regaining ground. They either need to pour a LOT of investment into it to start catching up or adopt someone else's environment/language/toolkit soon. (I'm sure all the former NeXT employees will take offense at this last paragraph, and any old Mac developers who haven't already jumped ship to Windows or Java will probably nod.) XCode, Objective-C and Interface Builder were state-of-the-art in 1989 but haven't really gotten beyond 1999 yet while the rest of the industry whizzed past.
 
shadowfax said:
And apple deserve a slap in the face for the completely, utterly, in-every-way craptastic job they have done of supporting the modern java VM. They are CONSTANTLY incredibly late at providing support for the latest releases. I believe that the final version of Java 6 has been around for over a year now. And they are still hacking out developer previews, not to mention they don't have it working on the processors of 90% of the macs out there.

Complete crap. I would strongly recommend against doing Java for OS X, and I have to for work.
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Show me statistics that 90% of Macs are PowerPC's. Until then, whatever.

Then go slap "Apple" in the face. See if they care.
 
Booga said:
I "get it". I'm a Java developer who can no longer work on a Mac. And yes, I had the 10.4 pre-release of Java 6. It sucked too, and they don't appear to have made a huge amount of progress in the last year.

So I can't develop Java on the Mac, and then when I do "fun" projects on the Mac, I have to use the awful XCode environment. Apple is about 10 years behind the state-of-the-art in software development and not regaining ground. They either need to pour a LOT of investment into it to start catching up or adopt someone else's environment/language/toolkit soon. (I'm sure all the former NeXT employees will take offense at this last paragraph, and any old Mac developers who haven't already jumped ship to Windows or Java will probably nod.) XCode, Objective-C and Interface Builder were state-of-the-art in 1989 but haven't really gotten beyond 1999 yet while the rest of the industry whizzed past.
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I personally find objective c, cocoa, interface builder, xcode a dream to use. Certain areas such as core audio could do with a layer of abstraction to save time IMO but im generally happy.
In particular I find Cocoa the most wonderfully thought out framework I have ever used. And the beauty of Objective C is its simplicity, to ad features to the language would destroy what makes it so special.
Admittedly I have not programed on the PC for 10 years, but from a distance it still looks like a writhing mess of proprietary muck and half arsed 'standards'.

What features do you believe the 'competition' have whizzed past on?
 
Yah Leopard needs more fixes. I've become INTIMATELY familiar with the top and kill commands. Enough that they are on screen 4 at all times. That being said I've frozen Leopard at least 4 times since install. 2 of which pertain to going from wireless to Ethernet. Basicly. Bring the system back from sleep, turn off WIFI, plug in Ethernet, change the location setting to wired and BAM....total freeze. So now I change the setting after I disable wireless but before plugging it in.
Then there is the weird shutdown behavior, as in it doesn't want to. Just sits at the blue screen (BSoD?) and that is all. Then there is the outright weird behavior with WIFI. I swear to god that WIFI speed will be fine one minute, crappy the next (With the router in the same room and SOLID sig streignth.) and the only wait to get it back again is to disable and re enable WIFI.
Nothing is a deal killer but I swear to god its getting really annoying having to tippy toe around Leopard. :( Not good. Not good. Vista is buggy...no doubt about it and they came out first. I wonder who copied who... :(
 
ckurowic said:
Grow up? I don't honestly care where you worked, old man.


And what the hell do you mean grow up? I simply stated a FACT. This is an APPLE forum. Go spread your Linux humping ways to forums that care. Linux will never take off. You all are too disorganized to do anything anyway.
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I'm not a Linux user. But, I found your comment curious. So, I went to check the current web statistics based on browser activity.

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp

Interestingly, Linux seems to nearly parallel Mac OS in terms of usage. Not exactly even, but the trend seems to be that Linux increases as Mac OS usage increases. And, their numbers are very close.

So, I guess if Linux isn't catching on, then neither is the Mac OS.
 
flyinmac said:
I'm not a Linux user. But, I found your comment curious. So, I went to check the current web statistics based on browser activity.

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp

Interestingly, Linux seems to nearly parallel Mac OS in terms of usage. Not exactly even, but the trend seems to be that Linux increases as Mac OS usage increases. And, their numbers are very close.

So, I guess if Linux isn't catching on, then neither is the Mac OS.
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ouch.
solid evidence will get ya every time..
 
I noticed that in Safari on Tiger (and probably also in Leopard) that Java applet windows now have a little warning graphic in the top right corner indicating that the window is an applet and not a normal website window.

Note sure I really care for this little change (I preferred it the way it was), but perhaps others feel differently.
 
mdriftmeyer said:
Absolute ********!

Java 6 is available only for Leopard?

This completely eliminates any interest in doing Java on Apple for me. I'll focus on Java for Linux only.
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Well, if you you're going to base your work decisions on the opinions and interpretations of a bunch of 12-year-olds on a macrumors forum, then the Mac Java dev community is probably better off without you :)
 
Fix Spaces

I have but one request from Apple at the moment and that's to fix Spaces. The idea is great but the implementation is absolutely maddening at times (read: almost all the time). Here's what they need to do to make the damned thing work as expected:

  1. If I switch to an application that has windows open in my current Space, always switch to those windows. Do not switch me to an entirely different Space for no apparent reason.
  2. When I switch to a Document-based application in a Space, activate an actual Document rather than a window that represents a toolbox or something like it. Specifically, activate the last Document that I was working on in the application.
  3. Do not switch me to another Space unless I request it explicitly by either changing to another Space via the interface or selecting an application that is not currently running in my Space. Do not suddenly switch me because another application in another Space has opened a dialog or some other alert.

This is common sense stuff that does actually worry me. I'm sure that this all makes sense and that it doesn't do this out of the box tends to suggest that maybe Spaces will never work as it should because of a technical limitation. Still, finger's crossed...
 
Camera raw?

Are we likely to see support for currently unsupported cameras in this release, or is this strictly bug fixes?

Still waiting for support for my A700.
 
flyinmac said:
I'm not a Linux user. But, I found your comment curious. So, I went to check the current web statistics based on browser activity.

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp

Interestingly, Linux seems to nearly parallel Mac OS in terms of usage. Not exactly even, but the trend seems to be that Linux increases as Mac OS usage increases. And, their numbers are very close.

So, I guess if Linux isn't catching on, then neither is the Mac OS.
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You need to see the 'real' stats (that's just for the w3schools website):

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=10

Linux has a lot less usage on here.

edit: I see someone else has posted these stats.
 
macinfojunkie said:
And safari, Wifi reliability, Macbook Pro wake from sleep and Quicktime! Leopard is quite the roachfest at the moment IMHO!
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I have no problem with Safari, Wifi or quicktime. I must have a different release of Leopard ... :rolleyes:
 
gifford said:
What is it with apple and crappy wifi connections, and sleep/wake problems?
It's seems an ongoing problem.
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Tell me about it. Bought myself a lovely MacBook in May, running 10.4.8 ... all lovely.

Updated to 10.4.9 and my wifi internet connection stopped working - transfer speeds dropped to about 2k per second when it worked at all. Tried the Airport patch that fixed this issue for some people. Nothing. Rolled back to 10.4.8 and all was well.

Then Apple announced that they were making changes to .Mac and you'd need to run 10.4.9 or better in order to sync properly. This wasn't an option, so I waited, with a crippled .Mac account, for 10.4.10 and dutifully updated.

Guess what?

Wifi internet FUBARed again, so I had to roll back to 10.4.8 ... which means that I am currently paying for a .Mac account that I cannot use with my portable machine, due to a known issue with Apple's own operating system.

Thanks, guys. After fifteen years of dedicated Mac use, thousands of pounds of my money, it's embarrassing to be stuck in this situation having recommended my Mac experience to so many people.

Bah.

Jim
 
Great to see Apple striving ahead to fix the myriad bugs in Leopard. Having the 2nd major service release already for developer testing is pretty good going at this point.

psychofreak said:
I said My Leopard, meaning that I'm not personally desperate for 10.5.2, I'm by no means suggesting that there are no bugs at all...
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I'm sure we'll all sleep better for knowing that nugget :cool:
 
Tonight's release provides an implementation of Sun's Java SE 6 for Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) and includes Java SE 6 version 1.6.0_01. This latest seed requires a 64-bit capable Intel-powered Mac and is described as having received only limited testing thus far.
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Does that mean that this new version of Java won't work on my Mac. :( WTF???
 
ckurowic said:
Grow up? I don't honestly care where you worked, old man.


And what the hell do you mean grow up? I simply stated a FACT. This is an APPLE forum. Go spread your Linux humping ways to forums that care. Linux will never take off. You all are too disorganized to do anything anyway.
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If I remember my geek prehistory, him having been at NeXT raises the intriguing possibility that he may have also 'humped' bits of MacOSX before it was even MacOS. Better boil your hard drive in bleach just in case.
 
thefunkymunky said:
Does that mean that this new version of Java won't work on my Mac. :( WTF???
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I do not understand all this whining about 64 bit support.

There is NO WAY Apple will drop 32 bit support when they release their Java 6 implementation.

They've just prioritised that build for development that's all.

You can all relax.

Sometimes I dispair of all the moaning that goes on here.
 
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