Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.5.4, Final Release Expected in July

[Eric S.]

Looking forward to the release, but why has Apple been rushing through all of the software upgrades? I know Snow Leopard will be coming next year, but it seems like they've kinda given up on quality with the current OS. I think the overall quality of Leopard is not as great as Tiger regardless of the new features.

Rushing through software upgrades? Nah. Tiger hit 10.4.4 in January '06 after being first released in April '05 - nine months. Leopard will hit 10.5.4 in July after being released last October - nine months. I think if you compare quality at the same relative point, Leopard is at least as good if not better than Tiger, especially given the large amount of new stuff in Leopard.

 

[zirkle2007]

July 11th is going to be like Christmas. ATV, osx, iPhone, mobileme, iPhoto (possible) all hopefully updated on the same day.

Christmas in July! This time it really will be!

 

[jds4400]

About MobileMe

I sure hope that MobileMe is a VAST improvement over.Mac which is pure CRAP! In my experiences, .Mac has NUMEROUS failings, most notable of which is it's HORRIFIC sycnhing abilities! I HATE IT! I am sure though that MobileMe will live up to the hype just as the new Apple products have. CANT WAIT TILL JULY 11th! HELLO iPhone!!!! I am so glad that I waited for v2.0!

 

[stagi]

How about finally supporting notes sync? I suppose that'd be too much to ask...?

Yea that would be pretty nice.

 

[Tosser]

July 11th is going to be like Christmas. ATV, osx, iPhone, mobileme, iPhoto (possible) all hopefully updated on the same day.

Christmas in July! This time it really will be!

Depends on your point of view.

OS X: Sure would be nice if they fixed quite a few things.

ATV: Crappy product. If for nothing else, then for the fact that it's more or less useless in any other country than the US. Yes, of course one could rip your own, and so forth, but then there's the problem with unsupported formats and whatnot.

IPhoto: Bleh … who cares. Lowest common denominator-software.

IPhone: Sigh … even more focus on a pseudo-product with even more tie-ins to keep the sheep satisfied and tied-in. A product crippled in a way, so one will need to get mobileMe: another tie-down.

MobileMe: Again, just another tie-in. Something the sheep will pay to get, since they cannot use disk mode on their crippled iPhones.

So, if this is christmas, man, I don't need any gifts, nor do I feel like celebrating.

 

[veedubdrew]

I hope they have some forthcoming fixes for the godawful iCal. The lack of the side drawer was a terrible regression from Tiger.

Entering times and dates is broken, bubbles pop up over the calendar, my Tiger stuff came over wrong. It went from being clean and useful to a train wreck.

Anybody else hoping for some iCal improvements?

-Drew

 

[Tosser]

I hope they have some forthcoming fixes for the godawful iCal. The lack of the side drawer was a terrible regression from Tiger.

Entering times and dates is broken, bubbles pop up over the calendar, my Tiger stuff came over wrong. It went from being clean and useful to a train wreck.

Anybody else hoping for some iCal improvements?

-Drew

Nope. I gave up entirely on that app and now use a non-apple product.

 

[ianpyst]

w00t!

I love when updates come out. And early july will place it right after my monthly format

 

[squeeks]

w00t!

I love when updates come out. And early july will place it right after my monthly format

monthly format? are you running windows or OSX?

 

[dbwie]

Depends on your point of view.

OS X: Sure would be nice if they fixed quite a few things.

ATV: Crappy product. If for nothing else, then for the fact that it's more or less useless in any other country than the US. Yes, of course one could rip your own, and so forth, but then there's the problem with unsupported formats and whatnot.

IPhoto: Bleh … who cares. Lowest common denominator-software.

IPhone: Sigh … even more focus on a pseudo-product with even more tie-ins to keep the sheep satisfied and tied-in. A product crippled in a way, so one will need to get mobileMe: another tie-down.

MobileMe: Again, just another tie-in. Something the sheep will pay to get, since they cannot use disk mode on their crippled iPhones.

So, if this is christmas, man, I don't need any gifts, nor do I feel like celebrating.

Hey Tosser,

Sounds like Apple has you tied in pretty good like the rest of us sheep, given that you, like the rest of us, read macrumors.com. [just teasing]. I actually agree with your points.

 

[motulist]

I hope they have some forthcoming fixes for the godawful iCal. The lack of the side drawer was a terrible regression from Tiger.

Entering times and dates is broken, bubbles pop up over the calendar, my Tiger stuff came over wrong. It went from being clean and useful to a train wreck.

Anybody else hoping for some iCal improvements?

iCal is such a hunk of junk.

When it first came out and through its first several years I held out hope for it, but Apple has decided to treat it like an unwanted child. iCal needs (and has needed) MAJOR work.

It's simply unusable for most users. I'm not talking about it lacking advanced business user capabilities, I'm talking about it lacking the most basic functions like being able to copy and paste correctly.

I agree with you about almost everything you said except for your statement that iCal "went from being clean and useful [in the Tiger version] to a train wreck [in its Leopard version]." iCal got worse in the Leopard version, but it was by no means clean and useful in its previous incarnations.

Dear Apple, please make ical not completely suck. I've sent countless detailed feedback messages to Apple over the years, but they just don't seem to care about iCal at all.

 

[valdore]

I've had a number of times when InDesign CS3 would not come back from being hidden, and I was forced to shut down the machine. Just happened with Photoshop too. Force quitting will almost work: the proc is no longer running in Terminal:top, but appears still launched in both the force quit list, as well as command-tabbing. All this is new since 10.5.2. Re-launching produces an error, or no reaction at all.

Gee, I'm glad the updates are New Feature driven.

Same thing is happening with to me with Adobe Lightroom.

 

[ianpyst]

monthly format? are you running windows or OSX?

Old habits die hard, you know. ^^

Plus i have a habit of installing a crap-load of things and i get a weird enjoyment out of performing a re-install. Especially that opening movie at first boot after a successful install. ^_~

 

[squeeks]

i'd reinstall again to try and fix my airport issue if it didnt take half the day to reinstall FCS

 

[Tosser]

Hey Tosser,

Sounds like Apple has you tied in pretty good like the rest of us sheep, given that you, like the rest of us, read macrumors.com. [just teasing]. I actually agree with your points.

Haha, yup. But I'm getting there slowly. Getting less and less tied in, product wise. I come here in the vain hope that Apple might actually do something for the likes of me …

I guess there's as much a chance for that as there is for me going to the moon on a soviet mine sweeper

 

[Barret Oliver]

Sick And Tired Of Mac Crap

All you Mac fanatics who keep yakking about how great Apple is? I spent $3000 to buy a freaking Mac Book Pro with a High Resolution screen and over the last three updates to Mac OS X Leopard, they still haven't fixed the freaking problem with the crappy interlacing on the screens.

Note to Steve Jobs: You're losing it. Try getting your act together and fixing the problems on the crappy software you put out before going off with your ego and developing a gazillion new ones.

Note to Microsoft Ad execs: Please contact me. I'll be happy to provide a consumer quote about how crappy Leopard is, and how I'm downgrading to Tiger. You can use it for free in a "I'm a PC, I'm a Mac" ad.

 

[lostfan916]

Note to Steve Jobs: You're losing it. Try getting your act together and fixing the problems on the crappy software you put out before going off with your ego and developing a gazillion new ones.

Snow Leopard.......

 

[Apple Corps]

No issues at all. I wonder if I just don't push my system hard enough to find problems or am just extremely inattentive - but I have *never* had a problem with an OS X update (from 10.4.3 to 10.5.3). I always feel amused by the "10.x.x Killed My Mac" threads but I guess I've just been very lucky so far. Touch wood.

My experience with updates has been much like that of sunfast - easy, fast and stable OS updates spanning 4 - 6 different Macs G3s, G4s, G5s and Intel based machines. I've also stopped all the "repair permissions" routine that I used to do so frequently. Knock on wood as well - but on a solid run over the past few years.

 

[MHerstand]

Why iTunes?

Anyone have an idea why iTunes 7.7 (or rather iTunes at all) is needed for MobileMe? My impression was that it only uses iCal, Address Book, Mail, iPhoto, and random system resources (like the implementation of iDisk).

 

[EricBrian]

I don't understand why anybody would subscribe to .mac/mobileMe at all. It is way too expensive. I might consider it if it were something like $40/year.... maybe.

 

[maclancer]

I don't understand why anybody would subscribe to .mac/mobileMe at all. It is way too expensive. I might consider it if it were something like $40/year.... maybe.

This is Apple, where everything is overprice

 

[vansouza]

This is Apple, where everything is overprice

Can we have one thread where nothing is said about Apple being expensive? Please.

 

[FreeState]

Anyone have an idea why iTunes 7.7 (or rather iTunes at all) is needed for MobileMe? My impression was that it only uses iCal, Address Book, Mail, iPhoto, and random system resources (like the implementation of iDisk).

Its not needed for MobileMe - its for the iPhone and iPod Touch (i.e. sync and back up apps you have bought on the phone):

http://www.apple.com/mobileme/pricing/

System Requirements

Compatible device: Mac, PC, iPhone, or iPod touch.
For Mac: Mac OS X v10.4.11 or latest version of Mac OS X Leopard; Safari 3, Firefox 2, or later.
For PC: Windows Vista or Windows XP Home or Professional (SP2) or later; Internet Explorer 7, Safari 3, Firefox 2, or later. Microsoft Outlook 2003 or later recommended.
For iPhone and iPod touch: 2.0 software.
iTunes 7.7 or later (free download from www.itunes.com/download).
Internet access with compatible ISP (broadband required for web applications); fees may apply.
Some features require Mac OS X v10.5 and iLife ’08.

 

[kornyboy]

Wirelessly posted (iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/4A102 Safari/419.3)

This mainly appears to be just an update for MobileMe and the iPhone 3G/2.0 firmware. I imagine that they will probably through in a few butt fixes but I don't expect anything major in this release that is not associates with one of the previously mentioned items.

 

[andiwm2003]

I don't understand why anybody would subscribe to .mac/mobileMe at all. It is way too expensive. I might consider it if it were something like $40/year.... maybe.

you can get .mac for $69 a year. mobileme is at the worst $99 a year. considering that you spend $50 and up for a dinner and $70 for a ski pass and $40-$120! for TV it's actually in the pricerange where "it does not matter".

gee, i updated for $99 just because i was too lazy to order via amazon and wait for the box.

yes, it may be too expensive in absolute terms or compared to other web-hosting (which I'm not sure if it's true) but my guess is that 90% of subscribers subscribe anyway, regardless if it's $40, $69 or $99.