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Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.5.5 (9F9)

I think the new release will not add new features, just bug fixed. I would love to see a integration of iCal between MobileMe Family Package, but I'm sure that will not come in this release.

The idea of constant upgrades doesn't made me happy, but it is nice to know that they are working in all issues to create a better os.

Patrick
 
I've had no problems with my MacBook, or Leopard.
Only thing I don't like is Safari being a tad unreliable.

My iPhone has been a bit buggy, but for the most part thats been sorted out by 2.0.1
Maybe I'm lucky? Or some of you guys aren't?
 
Address Book Redesign Overdue

The address book is the poorest design and appearance of any ap that Apple has released in Mac OSX and it has never been improved since it's release in 10.0.

It needs more of an iTunes sortability with column display like a list in a spreadsheet so it can be sorted by town, zip, last name, first name, etc.

The Icon photo is too small. The section on email is should have clickable links as should the website url items.

Addresses should be able to have a keywords to sort addresses rather than having to drag them into the current groups.

PLEASE Apple redo this pathetic appearance and make this tool match your other aps to match the level of mail and itunes.
 
Surely said:
I hope they address the Airport connection issues that I've been having since 10.5.4 came out.

It just doesn't stay connected. Man.
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I was having major problems with it as well, but its been working ok recently so I assume they must of fixed part of the problem at least.
 
inkswamp said:
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I hope Apple takes this opportunity to iron out all the remaining bugs with Active Directory integration. It's improved with the last couple updates, but until it functions as well as it did in Tiger, it's hard to deploy it.

Come on, Apple. You talk a good game when it comes to the enterprise, now give us the goods. :rolleyes:
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How is it Apple's fault that companies insist on deploying technology that doesn't interoperate with other platforms? doesn't that speak more about the incompetence of the individuals in the IT department than anything to do with Apple per-say?
 
buckzone said:
All I have to say is that they better fix the wifi connection problem with Mac Book Pro! I'm getting sick not able to stay connected!
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I've got one worse, the connection for me is unstable. It is still connected to the router and yet, I am unable to surf the internet or even log onto the router. My iMac, on the other hand, is uneffected by it.

Edit 1: Interesting, I pushed it up to channel 13 on my router, and no problems yet.

Edit 2: Recreated my account again, and it all seems to be working nicely. I guess something must have stuffed it up; might have been Realplayer given that was the last thing I installed before things went south.
 
While I am happy issues are being addressed, I don't understand why some many people here express anticipation and excitement. I mean, most of you trash talk Microsoft for fixes to Vista, but it's ok for Apple?

In many areas Leopard does not have feature parity with Tiger. I understand there are many new features, but many of the items business customers and power users rely on are still coming up to the level of support they enjoyed in Tiger.

Overall Apple is doing, or attempting, far too much with not enough human capital it seems.
 
kaiwai said:
How is it Apple's fault that companies insist on deploying technology that doesn't interoperate with other platforms? doesn't that speak more about the incompetence of the individuals in the IT department than anything to do with Apple per-say?
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Perhaps because Apple touts the feature. This is not a Microsoft issue. I don't really care for Microsoft, but lately Apple is committing the same sins.....
 
How can this news tidbit be getting negative comments?

I would really like an update to calendar that would allow you to click on a calendar/group and see a listing of dates for that calendar.

An example:

Click on the birthdays calendar and see a listing of all dates. That way I don't have to click through the months or perform a search.

Another example:

I have a calendar for Blu-ray releases. I would like to be able to click on the calendar and see a listing of all the release dates I have entered.
 
joeconvert said:
While I am happy issues are being addressed, I don't understand why some many people here express anticipation and excitement. I mean, most of you trash talk Microsoft for fixes to Vista, but it's ok for Apple?

In many areas Leopard does not have feature parity with Tiger. I understand there are many new features, but many of the items business customers and power users rely on are still coming up to the level of support they enjoyed in Tiger.

Overall Apple is doing, or attempting, far too much with not enough human capital it seems.
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I totally agree. Although I've been using Apple for years I never understood this constant patch update thing. I can see one or two over the life cycle or for critical security updates but NOT for the apps/main features etc....There are just to many bugs to start with.

It is like Apple makes us pay $129 for a beta testing period.

If MS was doing this people would go off. Apple dribbles out things that should have been there in the initial release and people get excited. It's like buying a lemon car and having it fixed slowly over time and hoping it keeps running.
 
joeconvert said:
Perhaps because Apple touts the feature. This is not a Microsoft issue. I don't really care for Microsoft, but lately Apple is committing the same sins.....
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What sins have they been committing (apart form the atrocious quality of their online service)?
 
kaiwai said:
What sins have they been committing (apart form the atrocious quality of their online service)?
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Wow this could take a while....

- subpar supply chain management.
- eroding product build quality
- repeated software delays
- Terribly buggy releases after the delays
- Endless fix cycles.
-As has been discussed by numerous posters to this thread - Features that are advertised and necessary to make the Macintosh platform not an island are incomplete and buggy and regression from the quality level of tiger
- Don't get me started on the iPhone software

I am no MS shill. My home has three Macs, no Windows boxes, wife anfd I are both using first gen iPhones, we have a newer airport extreme base station, an older airport express and I think a shuffle kicking around here.

Bottom line is for the price premium and the some of the other trade offs the user experience should be better than it is... and guess what - it used to be.

I don't think Apple products are all a rip off, but I certainly do not have quite the positive view of the price premium I once had. Back in '03 when I had a MDD G4 I figured that once the platform and the company got popular again there would be no reason to use it. While it is not that bad yet, it is certainly on its way.

I think if Snow Leopard runs me $129 for what is really Leopard SP2, I'm done.
 
Apple Different

A lot of us is seems - me at least - liked the old apple better. The one with the think different campaign. The underdog Apple. The small(ish) company fighting to keep it's customer base. The shareholders didn't like that apple. Mainstreamers also not. Now Apple is popular and a lot of people are happy about that.

I personally see a quality drop in hardware and software. Locking out the iPhone to anyone but AT&T seems very old-school un-apple like. How can I think different if I only have one option - for the next 5 years!. (I know that opens a can of worms).

So tying this into this topic - Leopard needs work. I do love the new features and I am using many of them. I don't like the bugs. Apple has a lot of products and a lot of software and a lot of business. I don't think they have the resources to cover all of that right now. Here is to hoping they improve on that - here is to hoping that 10.5.5 is a step and that Snow Leopard is a greater step.
 
darthraige said:
Errrrr, this better fix Time Machine.... Does anyone else's Time Machine lock up after about the 3rd backup process? Or how bout this, does anyone find Time Machine to be somewhat useless?
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No frankly, it is one of the few good things about Leopard. Spaces is also indispensable if you are using VMWare heavily.
 
swissmann said:
A lot of us is seems - me at least - liked the old apple better. The one with the think different campaign. The underdog Apple. The small(ish) company fighting to keep it's customer base. The shareholders didn't like that apple. Mainstreamers also not. Now Apple is popular and a lot of people are happy about that.

I personally see a quality drop in hardware and software. Locking out the iPhone to anyone but AT&T seems very old-school un-apple like. How can I think different if I only have one option - for the next 5 years!. (I know that opens a can of worms).

So tying this into this topic - Leopard needs work. I do love the new features and I am using many of them. I don't like the bugs. Apple has a lot of products and a lot of software and a lot of business. I don't think they have the resources to cover all of that right now. Here is to hoping they improve on that - here is to hoping that 10.5.5 is a step and that Snow Leopard is a greater step.
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I know I am beating this thread into the ground with the frequent replies, but this is a topic that has been bothering me lately. It doesn't even have to do with being an underdog. It has more to do with being insistent. A commitment to building products that are a joy to use and help people be more productive. And that is being lost and it is sad. Mainly because there is not a competitor waiting in the wings that is doing it head and shoulders above better. However, a continued erosion of quality will just not support the tradeoffs you must make to be a Mac user.
 
digitalbiker said:
WHAT HAPPENED TO APPLE?

I remember when they actually built reliable products, that just worked.
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You people all have short memories.

Somehow you think buggy hardware and software is new to Apple. Anyone remember System 7.5.1 - all 10 bazillion variations of it?

If you actually take off the rose tinted glasses and think about EVERY major release of the OS from Apple going back pretty much forever, you can find significant bugs. Doesn't matter if it's 10.5.x, 10.1.x, 9.0.x, 8.5.x, etc. And yet the size, scope and complexity of Leopard dwarfs anything Apple has done before.

Bugs are a part of computer life. As best as I can remember it, Leopard at the 10.5.4 update is pretty much on par with 10.4.4 and 10.3.4. But it's easy to lose perspective. (Doesn't help that the internet pushes these memes faster than ever before, regardless of the validity. Mob mentality run amok.)

Hardware-wise, does ANYONE REALLY think Apple's hardware is any less stable today than it was 12 years ago? If so, then you never owned a Quadra or Performa. Or one of the laptops that liked to catch fire. Youchy.

Getting the right perspective on the issue of hardware and software stability for Apple products is actually quite difficult. It's so easy to think of the all the things that are affecting you RIGHT NOW. And today some people rely on their computers more than they did a decade ago, so the impact of similar bugs may be more personal than it was in the past.
 
bryanzak said:
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Hardware-wise, does ANYONE REALLY think Apple's hardware is any less stable today than it was 12 years ago? If so, then you never owned a Quadra or Performa. Or one of the laptops that liked to catch fire. Youchy.
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The point is, Apple came a long way since then. I certainly didn't own a Quadra - used some, but never bought one. If Apple stayed at that level of quality and performance, there would be no Apple today.
 
joeconvert said:
The point is, Apple came a long way since then. I certainly didn't own a Quadra - used some, but never bought one. If Apple stayed at that level of quality and performance, there would be no Apple today.
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Yes, they have come a long way, and as a percentage of computers sold, I'd be willing to bet their failure rates are down quite a bit today vs. 10 or 12 years ago. Think about it, they sell more computers in a quarter today than they sold in all of 1998.

Yet today, everybody and their brother blogs about THEIR particular problem so anything negative tends to spread like wildfire and of a sudden "everyone" is having problems. Even though that is obviously not the case.

It's just like the current state of tabloid news we have. Kinda sad really.

We've lost perspective and we all contribute to the lowered signal-to-noise ratio on the 'net these days. But then again, crying about how the sky is falling when parts of the sky are hitting you is satisfying I guess. /shrug
 
bryanzak said:
Yes, they have come a long way, and as a percentage of computers sold, I'd be willing to bet their failure rates are down quite a bit today vs. 10 or 12 years ago. Think about it, they sell more computers in a quarter today than they sold in all of 1998.

Yet today, everybody and their brother blogs about THEIR particular problem so anything negative tends to spread like wildfire and of a sudden "everyone" is having problems. Even though that is obviously not the case.

It's just like the current state of tabloid news we have. Kinda sad really.

We've lost perspective and we all contribute to the lowered signal-to-noise ratio on the 'net these days. But then again, crying about how the sky is falling when parts of the sky are hitting you is satisfying I guess. /shrug
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We can disagree on this, not really trying to convince anyone, but I have never had a trouble free Apple Computer save my Core Duo iMac - that actually surprises me given it was first gen Intel and my MDD G4.

I have had a powerbook with multiple problems, my current macbook has issues (including the infamous case cracking), and my wife's macbook has had issues. That is significant compared to my experience with other vendors. Let me stress, I DO NOT think Apple is a horrible company and that their products suck, but there is a trend of questionable deliveries and quality that we are starting to see, let's hope it is a speed bump and not the condition of the road forward.
 
Some people here are either hypocrites, have a short memory or they are somewhat new to the Mac OS. It just pains me how some people on this forum praise how well Tiger is but I seemingly remember tons of threads of complaints about Tiger and it's bugs and the wireless issues and Tiger causing the iMac's fans to run too high..etc.
Also someone mentioned that we would all be pissed if this was Microsoft that offered Leopard as buggy as it is, Vista should've been half as stable as Leopard 10.5.0 was but even with Service Pack 2 it's not.

Also some people here are upset that Apple is sending out consistent bug fixes. Well I say, Yahoooo. Do you want them to leave it so buggy areas are not addressed or fix the problems? You can say that Apple should've had Leopard perfect from the beginning, yeah, but you should've got up early to go work and you didn't so your late, ***** happens.

I don't know about the rest of the so-called issues people are having but maybe this wireless thing only extends to notebooks. I have an iMac with zero wireless issues. My apartment is surrounded by wireless networks and none of them interfere with my iMac. I've never even had one signal bar drop and my base station sits in another room from the computer.
Here's hoping people get what they want. I just don't understand why people constantly complain but still keep buying Apple's products, they can get something else, there are plenty of choices.
 
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