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Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.5.5 (9F9)

bryanzak said:
You people all have short memories.

Somehow you think buggy hardware and software is new to Apple. Anyone remember System 7.5.1 - all 10 bazillion variations of it?

If you actually take off the rose tinted glasses and think about EVERY major release of the OS from Apple going back pretty much forever, you can find significant bugs. Doesn't matter if it's 10.5.x, 10.1.x, 9.0.x, 8.5.x, etc. And yet the size, scope and complexity of Leopard dwarfs anything Apple has done before.

Bugs are a part of computer life. As best as I can remember it, Leopard at the 10.5.4 update is pretty much on par with 10.4.4 and 10.3.4. But it's easy to lose perspective. (Doesn't help that the internet pushes these memes faster than ever before, regardless of the validity. Mob mentality run amok.)

Hardware-wise, does ANYONE REALLY think Apple's hardware is any less stable today than it was 12 years ago? If so, then you never owned a Quadra or Performa. Or one of the laptops that liked to catch fire. Youchy.

Getting the right perspective on the issue of hardware and software stability for Apple products is actually quite difficult. It's so easy to think of the all the things that are affecting you RIGHT NOW. And today some people rely on their computers more than they did a decade ago, so the impact of similar bugs may be more personal than it was in the past.
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Totally agreed. I came from OS 8.5 on a PowerMac G3. It was stable because I came in the middle of the OS cycle. But when OS 9 came out it crashed, crashed, crashed. Sherlock sucked and the extensions didn't always load.
My first Powerbook 17" in 2003 has the same issues the 2008 models have. The lid was slanted, Apple was notorious back then for giving dead pixel LCD screens and the casing was creaky and it got replaced twice by Apple. They damaged my first replacement in service.

The iBooks had the cheapest of the cheap keyboards. I sure would love to see the reaction from this forum if Apple starting using those keyboards on the new Macbook.
Some of the newbies here who complain the most didn't go through the growing pains of OS 10.0-10.2.
The iMac sunflower (lampshade) in 2002 had so many complaints about the screen tilting, it was always loose and never sat straight. I could keep going on. Apple makes great stuff but the quality control has not lessened. They've had issues for many years before Intel. Apple's issues are quite the norm for most companies. Most companies don't make as many popular products as Apple does.
 
I hope sync services means even more applications that will take advantage of MobileMe, specifically syncing Stickies!!!
 
kaiwai said:
How is it Apple's fault that companies insist on deploying technology that doesn't interoperate with other platforms?
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It's funny that I haven't discussed the specifics of the bugs in question and yet you're taking swings right out of the gate. What do you gain by being that knee-jerk defensive of Apple? And btw, if you actually knew what Active Directory was, you would know that your description of it being the fault of other companies not interoperating is nonsense. It worked flawlessly in Tiger, but not Leopard... and you think that's not Apple's fault? :rolleyes:

kaiwai said:
doesn't that speak more about the incompetence of the individuals in the IT department than anything to do with Apple per-say?
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Sure, it could always be the techie's fault, but I know what I'm doing and I can assure you that the AD plug-in doesn't work right. Additionally, I know lots of tech people far more knowledgeable and experienced than I and they have the same problems. Do a Google search if you don't believe me.

I have it running on my own Mac but it's too screwy to be deployed to regular users. Basic things like warning users that their password is going to expire doesn't work. One early bug (that appears to be fixed now) caused the System Preferences to lock up when a user on an AD-bound machine tried to access their login items. These things worked without a hitch in Tiger. That's not someone else's fault. It's definitely Apple's eff-up no matter how badly you want to defend them.
 
A friend sent me the seed fix list after some nagging. =P


Known Issues
- Aperture can unexpectedly quit with some images

Focus Areas
- AirPort
- Address Book
- AppKit
- Directory Services
- FileSync and Portable Home Directories
- Finder
- Fonts
- GraphicsDrivers
- Help Viewer
- iCal
- iChat
- ImageIO
- Kerberos
- mDNSResponder
- Networking
- Printing
- Screen Sharing
- SMB
- Spotlight
- Text Services
- Time Machine
- Traditional Chinese Input Method
- USB & Express Card Modems
- X11

Areas of Change
New issues fixed in this seed:
- Fixed issue with WaitNextEvent API
- Fix to Mail Message Storage
- Fixed issue with SAN connectivity
- Fixed issue with connecting to numerous TCP connections
- Syncing issue with newly created contacts and Address Book resolved
- Fixed issue with Address Book Framework and Smart Groups
- Issue with linking and CFURLProxies fixed
- Fixed sidebar displaying problem with Mail RSS
- Dropping a file on the Mail.app Dock icon now works correctly
- Fixed login issue with Active Directory
- Fixed issue with Mail and displaying IMAP messages
- Resolved Sync Services issue with Address Book and iCal ...MobileMe Sync Fix?
- Fixed duplicate syncing issue with iCal Synchronization
- Resolved issue with PDFKit and Safari PDF documents
- Issue with VPN menu UI fixed
- Fixed issue with set wake up times and Power Management
- Fixed problem with ACLs and NFS access permissions
- Fixed issue with Mail IMAP and out-of-order replies
- Issue with DSADPlugin and preferred server option fixed
- Resolved problem with Active Directory Map UID/GID
- Resolved issue with Address Book Printing
- Fixed issue with NoteComposeBackEnd and Mail Notes
- Fixed issue with "Show GL Layer Setup" in OpenGL

Issues fixed in previous seeds:
- Fix to DesktopServices and Full Restore from Time Machine
- Fixed issue with FileSync and incomplete syncing
- Fixed issue with TextEdit and color palette
- Fixed Networking download load issue with NAT host
- Fix to Text Services Manager
- Issue with CoreText Layout and neutral character runs resolved
- Fix to SearchKit
- Fix to CUPS admin.cgi
- Issue with non-unicode clients and SMB File Server resolved
- Fixed issue with SpotlightIndex
- Recursive GIF interface issue with Networking fixed
- Fixed kernel panic issue problem with Dashboard
- Fixed kernel panic issue with smbfs.kext
- Issue with BootCache resolved
- Fixed issue with Spotlight and Time Capsule backups
- Issue with LaunchServices and GuardMalloc resolved
- Issue with server-side agent and rPFS fixed
- Issue with copying to FileVault user's desktop resolved
- MLTE crash after applying URL attribute fixed
- SMB panic when doing directory listing ACLS resolved
- Resolved issue with reset sync and Sync Services
- PPDs with cupsPortMonitor keywords issue fixed
- Fixed Mac OS Kernel random crashes with physical addresses >4GB
- Issue with iCal AppleScript and due date resolved
- SSHD and BSD Kernel hanging issue resolved
- DO-over-TCP problem with multiple connections to same address issue fixed
- Fixed issue with inconsistent iCal syncing
- Fixed application launch crash in _CFURLCacheCopyCacheDirectory
- NSSocketPort no longer crashes when used in GC enabled application
- Fix to HLTB Appearance and ThemeTextColor CoreUI
- Fix to HICocoaView and HIWindowToolbarView
- Drag and Drop problem with HLTB DataBrowser issue resolved
- Fixed menu corner issue with HLTB Menus
- HIViewGetOptimalBounds now returns correct baseline for HIRadioButton
- HLTB DataBrowser type selection in choose from list dialog now enables default button
- HLTB DataBrowser type-select in 'choose from list' issue fixed
- Fixed ImageIO sips issue
- Fixed NSNavigationServices stripping suffix from file name issue
- Issue with libresolv fixed
- Fixed issue with iCal HI and invited events
- BaseWritingDirection and CoreText Layout now works correctly
- HLTB Windows: Resizing a window with a drawer now draws correctly
- Space activation feature now works correctly in HLTB Windows
- Fix to HLTB Menus and iTunes Help Menu
- Fix to CFURLConnection
- Fix to Text Services Manager and CGEventKeyboardSetUnicodeString
- Issue with CUPS and identical USB printers resolved
- Resolved issue with ImageKit and GC
- HLTB Control Manager and file-based image content resolved
- Fixed issue with Accessibility API and HLTB Menus
- Issue with Fast User Switching and input method resolved
- Fixed issue with Page Setup/Print Dialogs and 64-bit applications
- kThemeAdornmentDefault now works correctly
- FindControl now returns correct value for control at negative vertical coordinate
- Issue with HIShrinkToFit and window width fixed
- Fixed preference syncing issue with Sync Services Engine
- Issue with SpotlightIndex and finder comments resolved
- Problem with Proxy Authentication and CFURLAuthentication fixed
- Fixed freezing issue with Accounts pref pane
- Fixed filtering issue with Sync Services Engine
- NSImageBitmapRep now returns correct bytesPerRow
- Fixed issue where Cocoa apps may crash if carbon events handled prior to NSApplication instance
- Issue with iCal Invitations and email invitations
- CoreImage: CILinearGradient now works correctly
- Fixed hanging issue with Preview application and QuickDraw Manager
- Resize volume issue with Disk Utility during install resolved
- Implementation of recurrence rules in VEVENTs now works correctly
- Issue with RTF Handling and certain file types fixed
- Fix to CreateLocalIsochPort
- Issue with migrating backup.backupdb fixed
- Read Only flag issue fixed with iCal Synchronization
- Issue with NSMenu resolved
- Fixed issue where Cal UI wouldn't update with API changes after window is closed
- Fixed issue with CoreFoundation and uppercase letters in urls
- CoreGraphics: Issue with clipping to scaled images resolved
- Issue with Time Machine Preferences and stated available space fixed
- Fixed issue with SMB and Kerberos reconnects
- CoreText Layout: CTRunDelegate advance width now applied correctly
- Issue with Expose/dashboard invoke keys and HLTB Menus fixed
- Fixed issue with CFURLCookies
- Fixed problem with iCal To Do List and Preferences
- RRULE now interpreted correctly in .ics import
 
http://www.appleinsider.com/

AppleInsider said:
Unlike the previous build, however, Apple is no longer advising developers to abstain from installing the pre-release software on Macs that include integrated graphics cards.
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Anyone know if the graphics drivers for Intel IGPs have been updated? Intel's IGPs may not be fast, but Apple's drivers for them really seem to be lacking. the GMA 950 supports OpenGL 1.4 while the GMA X3100 supports OpenGL 1.5 yet Apple's drivers are only written to give the GMAs OpenGL 1.2 support.

http://developer.apple.com/graphicsimaging/opengl/capabilities/

Also, I don't suppose there are driver hints on whether Apple's going to adopt the GMA X4500MHD and stick with Montevina? I believe the Santa Rosa Macbook refresh was revealed due to driver hints for the GMA X3100 so it'll be interesting to see what's in 10.5.5.
 
kaiwai said:
I've got one worse, the connection for me is unstable. It is still connected to the router and yet, I am unable to surf the internet or even log onto the router. My iMac, on the other hand, is uneffected by it.

Edit 1: Interesting, I pushed it up to channel 13 on my router, and no problems yet.

Edit 2: Recreated my account again, and it all seems to be working nicely. I guess something must have stuffed it up; might have been Realplayer given that was the last thing I installed before things went south.
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Regarding all of you with Wifi problems "since Leopard", or "since 10.5.4"...

I won't say that in some circumstances OS / drivers are culprit, but more often than not it is other external influences that *hurt* your Wifi experience.
As in 802.11 b/g there seem to be 13 (some countries 12 or 11) channels on which you can communicate, but as these are so close together only 3 "real" separate channels are available on the b/g radio: 1, 7, 13. (1, 6, 11 can be a sufficient spread).

As more and more people use Wireless networking at home, it is quite reasonable to assume that more and more wifi signals / radio broadcasters are in your neighbourhood, interfering with your Airport.

I have seen this happen dozens of times here in this crowded part of Holland. People have an Apple Airport Base Station broadcasting 802.11 b/g at home, and it worked fine with their MacBooks. The user upgrades to Leopard, and within weeks they notice Wifi (Airport) performance issues. They wait for a 10.5.x update, but it stays the same... bad Apple..!

Until I ask them if they're sure that nothing else is interfering with the Airport Base Station. In most cases a neighbour has just got Wifi, and 99% chance they're broadcasting 802.11 b/g over channel 6/7.... And if you're unlucky, your Apple Airport Base Station loses the broadcast battle.... (especially against older Linksys Wifi ADSL routers.... too powerful a broadcast!). Switch your Base Station to channel 13 or channel 1, and usually the problem is over.

If your Wifi clients can handle 5 GHz 802.11 n... please, please do so. So much less interference there.
Too bad, it is not a "real" standard yet... and no iPhones can connect to "n"... :eek:
 
I finally stuck with 10.5.4-before that back to Tiger-10.5.5 should THE OS that it SHOULD have been all along
also I didnt see any mention of Permission Repair one reason why I went back to Tiger-I could do it in 10-15 seconds
Now its 5 agonizing minutes. And their "Ignore the ACL etc error"
Well if there was not something wrong way does it flag a warning-if it says WARNING_its usually for a good reason
 
inkswamp said:
It's funny that I haven't discussed the specifics of the bugs in question and yet you're taking swings right out of the gate. What do you gain by being that knee-jerk defensive of Apple? And btw, if you actually knew what Active Directory was, you would know that your description of it being the fault of other companies not interoperating is nonsense. It worked flawlessly in Tiger, but not Leopard... and you think that's not Apple's fault? :rolleyes:
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Why the hell are you using a proprietary technology in a mixed environment in the first place? do you have *ANY* idea as to the complexity of reverse engineering and maintaining compatibility with Microsoft's proprietary protocols? Dear god it amuses me when I see arm chair programming experts deride Apple programmers over things you don't have the slightest clue about.

I am not an 'Apple defender', I am a person who has a damn clue over the complexity involved with maintaining compatibility with Microsoft. Stop crapping on about issues, then blaming Apple, when clearly the issue sits in Microsofts own court and their refusal to provide the necessarily documentation to Apple to improve compatibility. If you have a 'axe to grind', it is with Microsoft - not Apple. Apple is in the same boat as every other third party trying to maintain compatibility with Microsoft.
 
seashellz said:
I finally stuck with 10.5.4-before that back to Tiger-10.5.5 should THE OS that it SHOULD have been all along
also I didnt see any mention of Permission Repair one reason why I went back to Tiger-I could do it in 10-15 seconds
Now its 5 agonizing minutes. And their "Ignore the ACL etc error"
Well if there was not something wrong way does it flag a warning-if it says WARNING_its usually for a good reason
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Nice to see you deliberately ignore the reasons why permission repairing takes longer in 10.5 than 10.4. But I guess truth is an inconvenience when one wishes to whine and complain.
 
MacGeek7 said:
It seems like that's something they're gonna have to fix on the MobileMe end - not through a software update
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Why do you say that? My understanding is that it is an issue with SyncServices in the OS set to 15 minute intervals (I know that's a simplification) so it would be an OS and app update, not mobileMe update.
 
Well I don't care much about NDA anymore since the ADC won't seed the snow leopard to paying devs so.

I can confirm calendars on your desktop now push to the clouds. I changed a few things in iCal just now and it immediately synced without any input on my part.
 
darthraige said:
Errrrr, this better fix Time Machine.... Does anyone else's Time Machine lock up after about the 3rd backup process? Or how bout this, does anyone find Time Machine to be somewhat useless?
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No. Have you ever run some maintenance on that Mac or that backup disk? Try Disk Utility and see if it can repair the disk.
 
The Bridge That Falls

J71 said:
That's a bummer. I've had zero hardware problems with my 2 year old HP dv8000 notebook. Too bad I can't legally run OS X on it. :p
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You are one of the many millions of users who have not had a problem with a notebook pc. I am one of the millions of users who has not had a problem with any powerbook I have owned.

I am on my fourth, a 17" MacBook Pro bought refurbished from Apple. No problems from its predecessors, first the G3 Powerbook, then a 12" iBook, 15" Powerbook 1.25. I have never had a problem, well, the G3 stopped working after I gave it to my grown son. I don't think it was Apple...the roof on the house he was renting was not fixed properly by the owner. It fell in covering the open, active powerbook with snow and rain.

My laptops are heavily used work tools. They are moved constantly, usually run all day and get hooked up to a variety of display devices on a regular basis to do corporate training. They have been absolutely reliable workhorses. When other people have been scrambling around trying to figure out how to run windows on a projector, I plug in and turn it on.

I know, whenever I buy something there is a risk that it will not be what I expected when I bought it. "Whenever I buy something, I expect to get f*****: I just hope not much." In this case I don't consider myself lucky... just a member of the majority of people who have been well satisfied.

As for those that have complaints, sure you're angry...who wouldn't be? Just try to remember the adage, "the bridge that falls makes a lot more noise than the one that is standing."

"Just remember, I'm pullin' for ya. We're all in this together." (Red Green)
 
I want my MacBook to sleep if I leave it open. All your ideas for working, don't, Apple. FIX IT!
 
HLdan said:
Some people here are either hypocrites, have a short memory or they are somewhat new to the Mac OS. It just pains me how some people on this forum praise how well Tiger is but I seemingly remember tons of threads of complaints about Tiger and it's bugs and the wireless issues and Tiger causing the iMac's fans to run too high..etc.
Also someone mentioned that we would all be pissed if this was Microsoft that offered Leopard as buggy as it is, Vista should've been half as stable as Leopard 10.5.0 was but even with Service Pack 2 it's not.

Also some people here are upset that Apple is sending out consistent bug fixes. Well I say, Yahoooo. Do you want them to leave it so buggy areas are not addressed or fix the problems? You can say that Apple should've had Leopard perfect from the beginning, yeah, but you should've got up early to go work and you didn't so your late, ***** happens.

I don't know about the rest of the so-called issues people are having but maybe this wireless thing only extends to notebooks. I have an iMac with zero wireless issues. My apartment is surrounded by wireless networks and none of them interfere with my iMac. I've never even had one signal bar drop and my base station sits in another room from the computer.
Here's hoping people get what they want. I just don't understand why people constantly complain but still keep buying Apple's products, they can get something else, there are plenty of choices.
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Well said, I would add that my MBP and MB as well as iMacs in the house have no connection issues at all. Rock on :apple:.
 
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