Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.5.6 to Developers

[fleshman03]

^ is "one extra finger" that big of a deal to you? Function over form please. Heck, I don't even have the multi-touch, except on my iPod touch maybe, and I'm still living life. Even if you have multi-touch, I'd still probably be able to navigate through the OS 2X as fast as you can. I think you just want to rant and complain to make yourself believe that your Penryn MBP is not "outdated".
The only thing that is "blatant greed, and disregard" is yourself. You are just too greedy. In the technology world, things are updated all the time. my 2 month HDTV was upped by another model from Toshiba. My MacBook has already seen two upgrades, one of them major. A computer is to be used, not to be shown off like jewelry.

The reason why you haven't used multi-touch is because your hardware (as per your sig) does not support it. Once you end up using it, you end up using it often.

The new MacBook Pro does not "one up" the MacBook Pro Classic. It has the same chip and can support the same gestures. It is a software issue. Completely different from your HDTV being 1-uped. You're older MBP would not support the three finger gestures, due to the lack of hardware.

Some of us, bought the current MacBook Pro with the expectation that the multi-touch trackpad would be taken advantage of with later updates. I know I feel slapped in the face by not being included. Was my $2,500 in June not good enough?

Please not that I am not complaining about any of the design features. The only thing I am complaining about is the lack of a software update to bring the four finger touch to previous hardware that can support it.

 

[Eidorian]

Will we see this change too?

Well we are seeing Trackpad move to its own preference pane just like the new MacBook (Pro).

 

[arn]

update:

10.5.6 does not help with CPU utilization on previous gen MacBook Pros when playing back high def h.264

arn

 

[Doctor Q]

Wirelessly posted (iPhone 3D: Godzilla/5.0; AppleWebKit/525.18.1; stereoscopic glasses 3.1.1) Mothra/5F136 Safari 3D)

By the time Apple ever adds Blu-ray support, it might have become an outdated standard! I expected to see it much sooner, especially after the end of the format wars.

 

[spectravp]

What??

Yeah I asked if the four finger gestures would be coming to the older new MacBook Pros on Apples discussions site and within an hour the post was deleted due to "inappropriate content". I really really hope that the new gestures come out for my macbook pro!

What is so inappropriate about that? You should be allowed to ask a question on a forum. What a concept!

If I were you, I would go back and post the one fingered gesture. At least that would have some merit for removal.

 

[spectravp]

Apple can not get away with overcharging their customers, then forgetting about them when they release a new product

They didn't overcharge. Fundamental rule of economics: something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. You agreed to the price for what you got off the shelf and gambled on getting more for nothing in the future. Personally, I keep my gambling to poker.

 

[willjax]

In the new notebooks, you can set a portion of the new trackpad to right-click when you click on the assigned portion. Supposedly anyway.

Yes thats true, ive got it set up on my 2.4 MacBook. Basically you can assign either the bottom left or right portion of the trackpad so that when you click it, its like right clicking.

Pretty handy but i still find two finger secondary click easier to use

 

[Chef Medeski]

For everyone crying about the new four-finger gestures. I went into the Apple store today to see what all the hype was about. The four finger is actually pretty useless. I mean its set for expose which isn't bad but I found it didn't work with a four finger swipe, but like a four finger vertical drag. Not only was it somewhat cumbersome but other than to use for Expose useless. For switching programs, it didn't seem to work to actually switch programs merely open the little pop up which you could then point to the app you wanted or move with your keyboard, but in all it feels much more cumbersome than simple keyboard shortcut, Apple + Tab. So actually I don't think you want 4 finger gestures. Atleast I wouldnt. I'm buying a refurb MBP with the gestures. $700 less and it still does everything I want, including rotations. Yeahh.....

 

[macmaster1]

needless to say

@SnowLeopard2008 to
^ is "one extra finger" that big of a deal to you? Function over form please. Heck, I don't even have the multi-touch, except on my iPod touch maybe, and I'm still living life. Even if you have multi-touch, I'd still probably be able to navigate through the OS 2X as fast as you can. I think you just want to rant and complain to make yourself believe that your Penryn MBP is not "outdated".
The only thing that is "blatant greed, and disregard" is yourself. You are just too greedy. In the technology world, things are updated all the time. my 2 month HDTV was upped by another model from Toshiba. My MacBook has already seen two upgrades, one of them major. A computer is to be used, not to be shown off like jewelry.
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VERY WELL SAID.
while it is the right of every customer to complain about this, that doesn't give them the right to abhor the company & labeling them with "blatant greed, and disregard" is nothing but plain ignorance. you can direct your requests to them (if you think it is a software issue) but if that doesn't happen then let it be. they still get the credit of providing you with the best possible product you can afford at the time of purchase (that's why you bought it right?).

some people who always complain in disgust are just so ...funny.

 

[jpine]

Wirelessly posted (iPhone 3D: Godzilla/5.0; AppleWebKit/525.18.1; stereoscopic glasses 3.1.1) Mothra/5F136 Safari 3D)

By the time Apple ever adds Blu-ray support, it might have become an outdated standard! I expected to see it much sooner, especially after the end of the format wars.

Can someone explain why Pystar has no problem offering Blu-Ray on their desktop machine while Apple keeps saying there are too many issues involved?

 

[fleshman03]

update:

10.5.6 does not help with CPU utilization on previous gen MacBook Pros when playing back high def h.264

arn

I have a funny feeling that a lot of system improvements are going to be in Snow Leopard. Things like this. Of course, Apple could always just not do it. (See: Multi-Touch.)

VERY WELL SAID.
while it is the right of every customer to complain about this, that doesn't give them the right to abhor the company & labeling them with "blatant greed, and disregard" is nothing but plain ignorance. you can direct your requests to them (if you think it is a software issue) but if that doesn't happen then let it be. they still get the credit of providing you with the best possible product you can afford at the time of purchase (that's why you bought it right?).

some people who always complain in disgust are just so ...funny.

I'm sorry to disgust you. However, I feel that a $2.5k price tag buys me software updates to full utilize the hardware I bought.

I hope you're not going to be complaining once we hack into the kernals to extract the four finger goodness.

If not greed, can you give a rational explanation why it's not a software update?

 

[ageha]

Exactly, it's an overrated and still irrelevant technology for the masses. BR adds little value to movies and videos, unless you have a gigantic screen. And 99% of the customers haven't got the slightest need for storage beyond that which is already offered by DVD-Rs...

Indeed, most markets couldn't care less about BR, and Apple is extremely wise to avoid paying ridiculous licensing fees UNTIL normal DVDs REALLY start disappearing from the mainstream.

Isn't the license fee just $0.10 per device?

 

[richard.mac]

always good to hear that 10.5.x is on the way.

Snow Leopards will soon be extinct...

check this out! their not too far off it takes that much effort to catch a mountain goat.

 

[840quadra]

Wirelessly posted (iPod Touch: Foshizzle/5.0; AppleWebKit/525.18.1; Strobe sync 40) Safari DEMX)


I think people are forgetting that we are also still in a pre-release of this update, and depending on how it works for developers, it may not see full production.

Chances are it will be fine, and released, but no need to get bent out of shape yet .

 

[brad.c]

Penryn Finger Power

Fun little test of what may be obvious.

If I swipe with 1 finger: pointer moves
If I swipe with 2 fingers: page scrolls
If I swipe with 3 fingers: in Safari, navigate back<->forth through page history
If I swipe with 4 fingers: nothing happens

So the hardware/software recognizes the four finger swipe, but doesn't respond to it. By my quick house-of-card logic, that sounds compatible with new capabilities.

 

[JFreak]

Fun little test of what may be obvious.

If I swipe with 1 finger: pointer moves
If I swipe with 2 fingers: page scrolls
If I swipe with 3 fingers: in Safari, navigate back<->forth through page history
If I swipe with 4 fingers: nothing happens

So the hardware/software recognizes the four finger swipe, but doesn't respond to it. By my quick house-of-card logic, that sounds compatible with new capabilities.

On an older hardware;

If I swipe with 1 finger: pointer moves
If I swipe with 2 fingers: nothing happens

Does it mean that this old hardware also recognizes the two-finger gesture? No. It means that I'm using it in such a way it wasn't designed to function.

 

[Macmel]

I can do the same on my external hard drives. Should we bring tape into the picture?

Yeah, and everybody knows that hard drives are as reliable as optical media, sure. This is the same stupid discussion we always have: what's wrong with having the option of BR? If you don't want to use it, keep using your external drives. But if you do want BR, you should be able to use it.
We all know that Apple just wants to go in a different direction by forcing consumers through their online store, but they forget about pros who need BR to author media for customers and have to buy PCs to do that.

 

[risenphoenixkai]

On an older hardware;

If I swipe with 1 finger: pointer moves
If I swipe with 2 fingers: nothing happens

Does it mean that this old hardware also recognizes the two-finger gesture? No. It means that I'm using it in such a way it wasn't designed to function.

See post 28 on this thread:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/582801/

The four-finger gestures on the new models are absolutely implemented by software. There is nothing in the hardware for the Early 2008 MacBook Pro and Air trackpads preventing them from having the added functionality.

 

[Kaptajn Haddock]

I don't understand what people mean by Blu-ray support. I have a Blu-ray burner in my MacPro which I have burned discs to using Apples Disk Utility ever since 10.5.0 came out. What else should be supported?

 

[ikir]

Well hopefully apple is working on fixing the pop/bleep/urgh sounds from my ONE MONTH OLD macbook sound card. You know, the WELL ESTABLISHED problems... cough...

Oh wait, they'd rather make an ad about how microsoft doesn't spend enough money fixing vista. LOL.

Probably you have a tech problem, i never heard of this thing. Have you tried to go in an Apple Center? If you MB is broken sfotware can't help.

 

[blimeyoriley]

^ is "one extra finger" that big of a deal to you? Function over form please. Heck, I don't even have the multi-touch, except on my iPod touch maybe, and I'm still living life. Even if you have multi-touch, I'd still probably be able to navigate through the OS 2X as fast as you can. I think you just want to rant and complain to make yourself believe that your Penryn MBP is not "outdated".
The only thing that is "blatant greed, and disregard" is yourself. You are just too greedy. In the technology world, things are updated all the time. my 2 month HDTV was upped by another model from Toshiba. My MacBook has already seen two upgrades, one of them major. A computer is to be used, not to be shown off like jewelry.

What was all that for ?! I was complaining about Apple, not you.

I don't really think you can relate to this unless you are in my position !!

I'll try to explain

Im not asking for a new updated computer, but a simple software update to enable a feature that mine is well capable of !!

I know mine is now "outdated" Boohoo, I don't really care.

What I do care about is Apple charging an arm and a leg for their products, then forgetting about the customers who bought those products, when a new one comes out.

I do not see any good reason, apart from Greed (wanting more money), and Disregard (lack of regard or thought to the early 2008 mbp/a customers) why Apple would not issue an update

I don't really care that much about the extra finger, it's the principle, and Apple should not be able to get away with it. It's leaving a lot of people feeling upset and Disregarded !!

 

[adrian.oconnor]

I don't really think you can relate to this unless you are in my position !!

I think your initial rant was a little over-the top. For what it's worth, I'm in your position - I have the exact same early-2008 17" MBP as you, but with the 7,200 rpm drive. I can tell you that I have absolutely NO desire whatsoever to email SJ about this, because I am extremely happy with the laptop and don't /expect/ them to add anything.

That said, being able to change the three-finger swipe to active exposé instead of navigate might end up being one of those nice-to-have options.

 

[Riemann Zeta]

Isn't the license fee just $0.10 per device?

Considering the licensing fee for MPEG2/DVD is still at least a couple of bucks (~5 USD) and the format has existed for 12 years, I would imagine BR's is significantly more expensive than one would think.

Plus, there is all that copy-protection lockdown bullsh*t that accompanies BR, dictating what players you can use for certain discs, what type of video output you can use, etc...

Although I guess the major BR copy protection algorithm, AACS, is now a moot point .

 

[Peaceful]

You're going to need to be a developer for that.

I _am_ a registered developer. I'm just don't have the top-tier (expensive) ADC membership. So I repeat:

Where can one find the laundry list of bug fixes?

 

[tjgriffin]

Glass TouchPad peripheral? iPod Touch?

I think a separate external glass TouchPad would be a cool idea! It could be a mouse replacement for earlier desktop and laptop Macs. I think a TouchPad like interface would be cool on an iPod Touch/iPhone too. Having a tactile feedback of a button click would be nice, like the ClickWheel vs. the 3G iPods.