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I don't know if Leopard will be stable enough to use right away after it's released, at least I'm a bit skeptical. I may wait 'till a .1 or .2 release.
 
if PPC upgrade compatibility takes until 10.5.1, that's fine. They really must get Leopard for Intels out by the 31st though.

Let me guess, you have an Intel Mac.

Some people are still on PPC Macs, such as myself. If Apple ignored them do you know how much of an uproar there would be? Plus, Apple promised that Leopard would be universal.
 
Not completely right. Vista or Longhorn or a similar architecture has been on the roadmaps of MS since the unstable win98 under various names. 2000 and XP have simply been upgrades build on the NT architecture that proved to be more viable at those times. Now, almost 10 years later, they finally still didn't release the system they planned as they are still missing some vital architectural features that have been on the roadmap for years.

The technology you are referring to is Cairo. And it did come to fruition in products such as Windows Desktop Search and Windows Vista's built in Instant Search. Cairo was promised for Windows NT 4, but the architecture could not support it at the time. Also remember, when Apple was searching for a new OS to replace Classic, NT was put on the table as an option, but they chose NeXT Step instead. The only thing missing from Vista that was originally planned was WinFS, and its a completely different thing than the traditional search technologies we have today in OS X (Spotlight) and Vista's (Instant Search). WinFS focused on visualizing data in a more natural relevant way where the results are always exact and correct when you query the system. This is something Apple, Microsoft nor Google has delivered yet. Basically, the race is still on. Oh, and that vital part is so over exaggerated.
 
what about the top secret features of leopard? what about the urgently needed overhaul of .mac that i hoped to come with leopard? what about ilife and iwork functions in leopard? seems there are none. if there are it's about time to strart testing them. unless they delay it again.

I'm pretty sure the 'Top Secret' features were a completely new finder, new dock, new desktop features, and QuickLook (it was seeded to devs but never announced). When it comes to .Mac, the 'overhaul' was 10GB of storage, Web Gallery (awesome feature) and Leopard's "Back to my Mac" which is insanely cool. As for iLife and iWork, they just got huge updates so I'm not sure what the heck you expect.
 
whats gold master?

Golden Master is the "master" copy used at the CD/DVD publishing plant to make Leopard for the customer. Once it goes golden master, no changes can be made to it. It will have to wait until 10.5.1.

Release Candidate 1 (RC1) is a potential final beta (build release) release that is distributed to testers as a final once over to see any issues occur. If needed, they will fix those issues as quickly as possibly and distribute Release Candidate 2 (RC2). If there's no issues with either RC1 or RC2 that may be considered golden master, but isn't always the case.

I'm pretty confident that Leopard will be released on October 31st. Yes, its not a Tuesday, but Tiger didn't ship on a Tuesday either. I believe it was shipped on a Friday.
 
I don't know if Leopard will be stable enough to use right away after it's released, at least I'm a bit skeptical. I may wait 'till a .1 or .2 release.


I love how people keep saying this yet they'll go out and get it anyways. If its not stable enough then Apple won't release it. This isn't Microsoft here.....
 
OffT: XP was only released 6 years ago…

OnT: Come hell or highwater Leopard will be released in Oct.

Treat 10.5.0 a paid beta if you've never seen how awesome Apple's 10.x.0's are. Now you can't say you weren't warned.

I can say that I was never warned...
Wait...

F***!
 
i said tuesday october 31st because i was told that was the date, they might have meant wednesday or could have seen a wrong date
 
Let me guess, you have an Intel Mac.

Some people are still on PPC Macs, such as myself. If Apple ignored them do you know how much of an uproar there would be? Plus, Apple promised that Leopard would be universal.

Leopard is Universal, hence the large build sizes 6GB+. This is Apple's first major OS release that deals with the Intel Macs. Yes, Tiger has an Intel version, but no major changes except it being operational with Intel CPU's.

I assume there are many "under the hood" optimizations to make the Intel Macs run better. Since the future for Apple is Intel Macs, it only makes sense to further optimize it Intel CPU's. This doesn't mean it won't run on PPC Macs or that it will run like crap, but it just didn't get as much emphasis. This will eventually become a trend for all developers, not just Apple. It will take a while just like it did with Apple and developers to slowly dwindle down OS 9 (Classic) support, but it will eventually happen. You've already seen the start with Adobe's new Creative Suite being Intel Mac only and I thought I remember seeing that Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac will be Intel only as well. I could be wrong about that though.
 
Let me guess, you have an Intel Mac.

Some people are still on PPC Macs, such as myself. If Apple ignored them do you know how much of an uproar there would be? Plus, Apple promised that Leopard would be universal.

no, I don't have an intel mac

I'm not sayinganyhting about it not being universal. All I'm saying is that if it takes until 10.5.1 to get the PPCs stable, that's better than delaying everything further.
 
I'm hoping anything but the last week of October. That's too far away...

Its far too late for it to be in the early part of October. There isn't even a golden master determined yet. Its going to be just like the iPhone. Apple will continue to promise an October shipping date and it will be the last possible day in October.
 
no, I don't have an intel mac

I'm not sayinganyhting about it not being universal. All I'm saying is that if it takes until 10.5.1 to get the PPCs supported, that's better than delaying everything further.

Leopard already supports PPC.Like the other poster said it's in a Universal Binary format.
 
whats gold master?
Gold is a chemical element and a highly sought-after precious metal which, for many centuries, has been used as money and in jewelery.

However, there's no need to call me "master." At least not here. Otherwise, I may have to spank you in front of everyone.
 
Ppc

Leopard already supports PPC.Like the other poster said it's in a Universal Binary format.

As said in the main article, the PPC has "some" issues with upgrading, does not mean it won't work. Could be a minor fix. I can imagine if I had a PPC mac, I would be concerned, but I feel confidant Leopard will come out in the month of October, if that is the last day of oct like the iPhone, or mid Month, I still think it will be "on-time."
We would of heard something by now from Apple if they were going to delay it more.
 
As said in the main article, the PPC has "some" issues with upgrading, does not mean it won't work. Could be a minor fix. I can imagine if I had a PPC mac, I would be concerned, but I feel confidant Leopard will come out in the month of October, if that is the last day of oct like the iPhone, or mid Month, I still think it will be "on-time."

yeah, that was my concern
 
I don't know why people upgrade anyways. Most of the time it only causes issues either immediately or down the road. Of course there is the few that will say I never have issues.

I guarantee you that the people that come in here and complain after installing Leopard will say they did an upgrade. Windows is the same way. I don't even know why Microsoft and Apple even make it an option. Its the perfect time IMO to start fresh. Cleans out all of the crap you didn't know you had and its the best way IMO to use a new OS.
 
there was no point in making me feel bad, and i dont think there'll be more builds maybe one

Im not trying to make anyone feel bad. Just telling it like it is :)
This is why there will be more builds yet before it goes GM:

Known Issues
- Archive installs from Tiger to Leopard sometimes will not succeed on Power PC systems if you try to preserve user settings. Please perform an upgrade install or clean install or opt out of preserving user settings to work around this. Intel systems are unaffected.
- If you have HP printers connected to your system or are upgrading from a Tiger system with HP printers already configured, please perform a custom install and de-select the HP printer drivers in the installer. The HP printer drivers will be delivered post-install via Software Update.
 
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