Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) 9A559

[samh004]

Gold is a chemical element and a highly sought-after precious metal which, for many centuries, has been used as money and in jewelery.

However, there's no need to call me "master." At least not here. Otherwise, I may have to spank you in front of everyone.

ROFLMAO !!

On the other hand, I think it would be pretty cool (and sort of amusing) to see a Leopard timer on the Apple frontpage.

I remember the one from Tiger, so I guess it's possible. It'll just make time go slower for me though

I am curious, in an honest and sincere way, to know why it is so important to get this new OS so quickly. Is there something wrong with OS10.4 that so urgently needs fixing?

I honestly ask this, because I am so happy with the current 10.4.10. It does everything I could want, and is extremely stable. Everything works just fine.

While that's all true, what many users want to try are the new features in iChat and Photo Booth etc... and the new functionality that is Spaces and all that.

Sure it might be a little less stable, but there's new things to try out and show off to friends, who doesn't want to do that ? Obviously you, but you know what I meant.

 

[exigentsky]

Of Course

C'mon Apple... no one who has ever worked in software development believes there are only two known issues in a system that size.

It's just spin because they're going to release it soon.

Of course, when Apple says this given the context, they mean SHOWSTOPPER bugs. OS X has thousands of bugs, as does Windows and any other modern OS. I myself have submitted 90 bugs and feature/enhancement requests (but half were duplicates).

Anyway, I think Apple is going to meet the deadline, but they really shouldn't. They're not ready. Even the features themselves aren't implemented well enough. Have you tried the dock on the side? Moreover, they haven't even released a RC. They need at least two extra months.

 

[samh004]

Have you tried the dock on the side? They need at least two extra months.

I hate how Stacks doesn't open both ways on the side... I really wish it did, as that's where my dock will be.

 

[stoutboy1]

I love the speculation

I love it, so here is my optimistic speculation, 10.5 is already GM what they are working on now is 10.5.1 for immediate update Oct 31st immediately after installation. Hey its definitely possible...

 

[Mr. Dee]

Well as a person who has experienced this first hand I can tell you my postings are accurate. Don't always believe what you read. There are too many variables to go off what someone else said.

Don't be the cocky SOB who thinks they know everything because they can read articles and take everything they read to its automatically true for every user.

I never said it was exactly true that Office '08 for Mac was Intel only, I just thought I heard rumblings somewhere that it would be. Yet, another reason why you shouldn't always believe what you read. I should have been more specific about the Adobe Creative Suite....

I am not believing everything I read, and don't call me cocky SOB because you lack the effort to do research and testing."There are too many variables to go off what someone else said". I thought I said that? :s Leopard is not finalized, so we can't comes to a conclusion that one will be faster than the other. Reviewers, including my self have praised Apple for improving the performance of their operating system with each release on even old hardware, its something that has been talked about for years.

 

[ventro]

Any screenshots for us nitpickers?

 

[todd2000]

I'm pretty sure the 'Top Secret' features were a completely new finder, new dock, new desktop features, and QuickLook (it was seeded to devs but never announced). When it comes to .Mac, the 'overhaul' was 10GB of storage, Web Gallery (awesome feature) and Leopard's "Back to my Mac" which is insanely cool. As for iLife and iWork, they just got huge updates so I'm not sure what the heck you expect.

Yes im pretty sure those were the "top-secret" features as well as stacks, and probable some other things that im forgetting , and they were announced at WWDC 2007 you can watch the keynote here if you missed it http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc07/

 

[mdriftmeyer]

Your conclusions are not correct. We don't know anything about Apples internal development processes when it comes to optimizing Leopard for either Intel or PPC architectures. I have even read on Insanely Mac where one reader said Leopard PPC build 9A527 on his PowerBook was faster then Leopard Intel on his MacBook Pro and MacPro. Its also hard to measure performance between PPC G4, G5 and Intel at the moment, Apple still loves the platform.

As for support, Adobe CS3 supports PowerPC, only new versions of SoundBooth and Premier do not support PowerPC. Office 2008 will be a Universal Binary, the only difference is, there will be not VBA support. The Office for Mac team has recommended that users start moving their scripts to Apple Script. Man, I'm a Windows user and I know more about Apple!

What he should have stated is that each platform has been optimized as much as possible within the linker, compiler stages.

 

[mdriftmeyer]

Am I the only one starting to think that Leopard is going to be pushed back again??? I know Apple still has a little bit of time, but I am starting to think it might not be released til November or even early next year.

After seeding Leopard 9A528d just yesterday, Apple has released 9A559 to ADC members tonight. Yesterday's update appears to have been primarily testing Leopard's Software Update mechanism.

The 6.55GB download lists only two known issues for Leopard. The two issues described involve upgrading from Tiger to Leopard on PowerPC systems in certain scenarios, and HP printer drivers.

Having worked for both NeXT and Apple these revisions are to be expected. Dev releases to 3rd parties always lag behind internal builds. Internal builds are branched and target specific areas of development.

GM will remerge into the mainline branch when it's ready. And no, this isn't a delay. This should give you more confidence they are reaching GM.

 

[powderblue17]

If no screenshots can someone at least tell us if anything has changed. I'm sure you downloaders have it installed by now.

 

[BKKbill]

The Apple store still says arriving in October. Is it just me? It seems this whole form have been waiting for Apple to release something or other for quite some time now. Lets hope this one is on time.

 

[macguysoft]

Your conclusions are not correct.

Absolutely incorrect? I think we all know that Apple is indeed putting more focus on improving the experience on Intel computers but this is not to say that there are no improvements for the PPC user. So what would you suggest Apple is doing? I would say that since History repeats itself, it would be more likely that Apple is gradually focusing more of their resources on the intel platform as most of the mac users will eventually own an intel. I suppose why Apple is still supporting PPC is for the reason that many still use it.

I'll say that I'm quite skeptical of the claim that Leopard actually runs better on a PPC than intel. While perhaps possible, I consider that rather unlikely... In my experience, it runs slower if I do a fresh install than a intel but it does run faster than Tiger. A lot of variables are involved I suppose so no definite conclusions can be arrived at. I'm just working from what is probabilistically more likely to be occurring or what is going to occur. If they decided to stop support, would this look good for Apple? I think it's more of a matter that they should support it... at least for now. Plus it's actually a good thing! This makes Apple products compatible even with older computers which proves to show the their support is very good. But again, they'll eventually have to leave it once the number of PPC users goes down.

The speed increase most likely has something to do with a overall clean up of code and some better organizing.

Just my 2 cents...

 

[projectle]

opening music has changed.

 

[chrisdazzo]

opening music has changed.

Wait... For Leopard? What is it now? Sample please (if NDA allows it)!

 

[Sbrocket]

Wait... For Leopard? What is it now? Sample please (if NDA allows it)!

Non-Disclosure Agreements typically don't even allow releasing information that leads to posting of articles such as these (though I haven't read the ADC one in particular.) What makes you think that the NDA would allow someone to post specific files out of developer seeds?

 

[chrisdazzo]

Non-Disclosure Agreements typically don't even allow releasing information that leads to posting of articles such as these (though I haven't read the ADC one in particular.) What makes you think that the NDA would allow someone to post specific files out of developer seeds?

Curiosity.

 

[AppleiMac]

Gasp! I completely forgot that Apple had some secret features of Leopard that they weren't going to tell anyone about until release day... I wonder what those could be. On the other hand, I think it would be pretty cool (and sort of amusing) to see a Leopard timer on the Apple frontpage.

Don't get your hopes up, lol. People get all excited sometimes and then dissapointed when it comes out.

 

[chrisdazzo]

Well of course that may happen. I'm hoping for a lot but still telling myself that it's just another Apple OS. I'm sure it will live up to most of the hype, and having used Leopard once thanks to a Developer friend of mine, I've got high expectations for the Gold Master.

Who knows, though. Anything could happen between now and October 31st.

 

[pixlnet]

It'll be well worth the wait....and I'm happy to say I get to use my Apple Credit from iPhone exchange to buy it. I'm really excited about Leopard Server though. I think it will help them a ton with Business sales.

I think the biggest feature I'm excited about is Spaces. How bout you guys?

 

[Brendon Bauer]

opening music has changed.

I'd buy Leopard just for that . Man I'm excited...

 

[chr1s60]

Why do you think that? It is common for Apple to release a developer build about a month before the boxed product is released ... with that "last" developer build basically matching what goes in the box. Also sometimes we will get a little burst of builds near they end as the close out show stoppers that are found.

I only say that for two reasons. First off, there has yet to be an official release date other than October and there is only a week left in September and there is no word. The other reason is because I have seen developers with Leopard say that the it still seems a ways away from being ready. The combination of those is making me start to wonder if there will be another change in release date.

 

[chrisdazzo]

It'll be well worth the wait....and I'm happy to say I get to use my Apple Credit from iPhone exchange to buy it. I'm really excited about Leopard Server though. I think it will help them a ton with Business sales.

I think the biggest feature I'm excited about is Spaces. How bout you guys?

Definitely Spaces, Time Machine, and the "Finder" Coverflow. Though, I expect I'll have to do an update for every single one of my programs to view them in crystal-clear 512x512 pixel beauty. Oh well.

 

[aLoC]

I myself have submitted 90 bugs and feature/enhancement requests (but half were duplicates).

Good job. I've submitted some but nothing like that many.

Anyway, I think Apple is going to meet the deadline, but they really shouldn't.

Blame the Internet. Companies know they can push out updates post deployment easier than ever. It's just the new reality.

 

[BTW]

Am I the only one starting to think that Leopard is going to be pushed back again??? I know Apple still has a little bit of time, but I am starting to think it might not be released til November or even early next year.

Nope, I think it is coming down to the wire and they'll push it again. Yet, I believe Apple should start doing open public betas to non-ADC members. They did it with 10.0 for $20 and when it went gold the $20 was discounted from the release price.

There are plenty of wannabe-bleeding-edgers out there so why shouldn't Apple use them.

 

[samh004]

There are plenty of wannabe-bleeding-edgers out there so why shouldn't Apple use them.

Because they already have enough developers to help them along, and they'll get your money in the end for it anyway, so the extra $20 per person (that will be discounted from the final price) means nothing to them at this stage.